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Hey all,

I was looking through the army lists from the top 8 in the recent LVO tournament, and had a question I was hoping someone could help me out with. Some of the lists (the imperium lists, specifically) seem to have way less anti-tank than I'd expect in a 2000 points army.

Now, the two with blood angels are less difficult to wrap my head around, because with the Red Thirst you're able to whittle down tanks with pretty much anyone in melee. Still though, there were ZERO lascannons in the top 8. Alexander Fennels Valhalla/SW/BA list had 2 THs, 3 PFs, and 2 Frost swords- which seems very little and only the thunder hammers are on models with Fly (to fly over screens, etc).

Obviously I'm missing something, because I can't imagine dropping my AT guns just because I had a handful of melee hammers/fists.

I couldn't find any videos of the top 8 matches, but if anyone knows where I can look at those I'll take that in place of/in addition to a bit of schooling. Thanks!

They weren't expecting a whole lot of tanks that they couldn't tie up in perpetuity.

If you bring an anti-tank unit and an anti-horde unit in a melee list, and your opponent brings six basilisks and a hundred guardsmen, your one anti-horde unit wont kill the guardsmen and your anti tank unit won't ever make it to the tanks.

Bring two anti horde units and you can chew through the guardsmen and engage the tanks, essentially killing them because they will never shoot the rest of the game.

The only exception? Flyers. Hence the thunder hammers on models that fly.

And other competitive lists have tons of anti tank. Eldar usually spam dark reapers, which are basically an anti tank unit. AM also brings a considerable amount of anti tank.

All prior comments 100% spot on - also LVO lasted 3 turns on average and there is very little need to aim to table your opponent. So you have a 200+ point predator you are going to sit in the back? Ok I will focus on objectives and killing other units / my secondaries.