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Has this always been the case? I've not played for a while.

Because that character is part of the Ynnari, not Craftworld Eldar, which is what the codex is. Eventually there'll be a Ynnari codec that will include that and other characters.

No she's not in there -because GW makes more money by making more codex. Simple as that.

 Xenomancers wrote:
No she's not in there -because GW makes more money by making more codex. Simple as that.

Sure would explain the over-abundance of small sub-factions in the game right now.

Darsath wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
No she's not in there -because GW makes more money by making more codex. Simple as that.

Sure would explain the over-abundance of small sub-factions in the game right now.

Would it? Would it really?

Because most of those "small subfactions" are still part of the Index books--which aren't badly priced.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Darsath wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
No she's not in there -because GW makes more money by making more codex. Simple as that.

Sure would explain the over-abundance of small sub-factions in the game right now.

Would it? Would it really?

Because most of those "small subfactions" are still part of the Index books--which aren't badly priced.

You are missing the point - it's even more money for GW - you buy the index then when they come out with your codex you pay again.

For example an eldar player that is playing Ynnari + craft worlds will have spend over 100 dollars on source books for their army as opposed to 40 the would have made if they just released all those options in the eldar codex.

Thing is the community ASKED for this for many years.

Many have asked for subfactions for races other than the Space Marines; meanwhile there was overwhelming pressure for a unified release - for all armies to be updated at once with the release of a new edition instead of waiting on a maybe appearing codex that could take years and years to come around.

Sure it means more books from GW, but lets be honest its left the game in one of its best states for years in terms of balance. Plus the codex hav been a great chance for GW to clean up their army lists, dropping stuff that they've not yet put into production or that has fallen out of production (which works to GW's benefit and to gamers, esp those new to the hobby).

I've noticed the harlequins aren't in there either. It's clearly a grab for extra cash.

No wonder people try and get these books free online.

Sy2pie wrote:
I've noticed the harlequins aren't in there either. It's clearly a grab for extra cash.

No wonder people try and get these books free online.

Uh yeah, a "grab for extra cash" that started a few years ago with the release of Codex: Harlequins...another one of those books that people asked for.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Darsath wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
No she's not in there -because GW makes more money by making more codex. Simple as that.

Sure would explain the over-abundance of small sub-factions in the game right now.

Would it? Would it really?

Because most of those "small subfactions" are still part of the Index books--which aren't badly priced.

You are missing the point - it's even more money for GW - you buy the index then when they come out with your codex you pay again.

For example an eldar player that is playing Ynnari + craft worlds will have spend over 100 dollars on source books for their army as opposed to 40 the would have made if they just released all those options in the eldar codex.

You've thrown these numbers out before for other books.

I'm still waiting to spend $100 on my Guard or AdMech or Raven Guard.

The most I've spent is on my Guard, which was $40 for the Codex and $16 for a digital copy of Index Imperial Armour via iTunes.

I have never asked for more books. I advocate less books.
At best, I'd ask for a Codex Eldar, with army lists for Dark Eldar, Eldar, and Harliquins in it as a combined Eldar release. The very last thing I want is more factions.
GW can't even do internal balence on it's books. Every new faction makes the game harder to balence and harder to re-release models for.

I never asked for more books either, and I've been saying it's a cash grab since 6th.

It's simply a case of they can't make you replace models you've had since 2nd ed but they can make you buy books.

Ynnari is 3 Codex's shared, if they put them in one, they have to put them in all.

They will just keep her small 3 pages of cheap paper and black/white rules instead inside full colored pages.

Also if you dont play Ynnari then you dont need the rules, if you use Ynnari you must buy the Box and the box comes with the rules.

Its just better business on saving costs.

The majority of GW's fans and customer base expect codex's for their faction. They expect said codex to contain army rules, fluff, artwork and a how-to-paint bit.

GW has had that standard format for decades now and its very much expected by the majority. Esp if the army is "real" rather than a once-off.

Sure its another cost, but lets be honest most hobbies rely strongly upon repeat purchases. Consider Magic the Gathering which is almost abusive in how it releases new blocks every few months and cycles old ones out of use - even if you net-deck and only buy specific cards chances are you spend more there than you would on a GW codex which lasts a good few years in general.

I'd say it's a safe bet we're getting more Ynnari exclusive units to justify a full codex. Remember that wraithbone construct we saw in the Rumour Engine not long ago? I'm thinking it's not strictly a Craftworld model.
Additionally, why would the Ynnari characters be in Codex: Craftworlds and not Codex: Drukhari or Codex: Harlequins, for example? If they were to appear in the Craftworlds codex, they should definitely appear in the other two Aeldari codices.

As far as Harlequins are concerned, would you rather they be part of a bloated Eldar codex where 90% of the rules/fluff/artwork/army showcases are not focused on them, or be part of their own codex where everything is dedicated wholly to them? I personally prefer the latter. Not to mention that, using their 7th Edition codex as a reference, they have more than enough stuff to fill out a codex with.

For reference, I pay $70+ per codex thanks to living down under, and I prefer sub-factions like Thousand Sons, Harlequins and Genestealer Cults getting their own codices.

Sy2pie wrote:
I've noticed the harlequins aren't in there either. It's clearly a grab for extra cash.

No wonder people try and get these books free online.

Yep. It's one of those greedy cash grabs where they released rules I'd been hoping for for years along with some snazzy new models and probably the best-looking codex in all of 7th edition. I'm very much hoping for another greedy cash grab where they selfishly release a Sisters' book and a bunch plastic kits. All to satisfy they're capitalistic cravings by releasing stuff I want.

As for Yvraine and the other Ynnari characters, they aren't <Craftworlders> per se and also don't have a history of being considered part of that line (like the Phoenix Lords), so it's not that strange for them to be absent from the Aeldari book. As a full codex release for 3 models seems unlikely, I'm personally hoping for...

* An expanded Ynnari line OR
* Codex: Agents of the Aeldari lumping harlequins, Ynnari and maybe possibly even a new Exodite line together. (One can dream)
* Some sort of Aeldari campaign/narrative play book with various fluffy rules for eldar to use in non-matched play and Ynnari rules for matched play or other forms of play.

Harlequins did used to be in Codex: Eldar, alongside craftworld units in 2nd edition.

They were in the 4th and 6th edition codexes after being reintroduced as a single unit.

There's no reason that they shouldn't/couldn't be included in this edition too.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Harlequins did used to be in Codex: Eldar, alongside craftworld units in 2nd edition.

They were in the 4th and 6th edition codexes after being reintroduced as a single unit.

There's no reason that they shouldn't/couldn't be included in this edition too.

There is one reason:
Players asked for it.

I'm really happy they have their own book. I know three two pure Harlequin players who were overjoyed that they weren't forced to dick about bringing other gak to make their lists. One has since adulterated his list with filthy things like farseers.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
There is one reason:
Players asked for it.

Players ask for anything and everything.


I have a pure Harlequins list too. But there's no reason I need a completely separate codex to prevent me taking non-Harlequin units in my Harlequin army. If the eight or so units Harlequins have available to them were back in the craftworld book, it's not like anyone would be forced to bring other gak in their lists any more than a pure Deathwing player is forced to take Predators or Scouts, or 2nd ed players were forced to take non-Harlequin units.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
There is one reason:
Players asked for it.

Players ask for anything and everything.


I have a pure Harlequins list too. But there's no reason I need a completely separate codex to prevent me taking non-Harlequin units in my Harlequin army. If the eight or so units Harlequins have available to them were back in the craftworld book, it's not like anyone would be forced to bring other gak in their lists any more than a pure Deathwing player is forced to take Predators or Scouts, or 2nd ed players were forced to take non-Harlequin units.

Im a harlequin main now and i love how they have their own book. Just b.c you are ok with them being a part of another book doesnt mean others are.

Edit: Now if i can get Cegorach i'll be insanely happy lol.

It's the continuing cycle.

1) GW wants to make more money = more codices.
2) Players "think" they want more sub-factions with their own books = Small subfactions receive a codex (see above).
3) Players complaing when tiny subfaction (which doesn't really justify a Codex itself) is not competitive/strong as a normal army/race.

ITT: proof that GW loses regardless of how they release codices.

I didnt think i wanted Harlequin.. I didnt actually care b.c i was happy with my DE. When Harlequin came out i was HATING my DE due to nerfs and unbalanced formations so i picked up Harlequins. And guess what? I LOVE them, it made me love the game again (And Corsairs but thats a FW army). IDK where you get off say "Think" we want them. If we do, we do.

A friend of mine spent 1200$ as soon as the GSC army dropped, you think he wouldnt spend that money if he "Thought" we wanted that army? No.. he freaking wanted it.

Sometimes GW needs to chance a subfaction b.c it might make a group happy. Many dontl ike Ynnari but it for sure boosted Aeldari sales and many do like it. They might try to make it its own full subfaction, we dont know yet.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Just b.c you are ok with them being a part of another book doesnt mean others are.

Well; duh.


Would you not have wanted a pure Harlequin army if the rules were in the same book as craftworlders? If the rules and models were exactly the same, but they just weren't in a separate book?

If they were in another book, they wouldnt be the same as they are now, not in any form. Look at Wych Cults for an Example.

Look at 4-5th rules of them in the other books.

Its not equal treatment to another army, just another sub cult.

That's not what he asked.

He asked if it would make any difference if that small codex's contents were in a generic Eldar Codex.

If you think GW would keep Harlequin as they are and not a lesser sub faction, then you dont know GW very well lol. Thats why i say it does matter.

IF GW "could" maintame them as a full army in another codex (A Mega Aeldari Dex, b.c why not have DE in that book too?) Then that would be fine, it would be like the SM codex.

But then it wouldnt be CWE codex, it would be Codex: Aeldari

 Amishprn86 wrote:
If you think GW would keep Harlequin as they are and not a lesser sub faction, then you dont know GW very well lol. Thats why i say it does matter.

But Harlequins are a lesser sub faction.

They have eight units, one of which is effectively a solo sergeant, and another of which is a Vyper with a different gun.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
But then it wouldnt be CWE codex, it would be Codex: Aeldari

Did people really have a problem with the 2nd (including Harlequins, Exodites, and Corsairs), 4th and 6th (including Harlequins) editions of Codex: Eldar? (Or the 3rd for that matter, since it was a separate book to Codex: Craftworld Eldar)?

Unit amount doesnt equal equality in rules.

You seem to not understand me.

Let me make this clear.
"Making Harlequins their own army was a good move, I dont give a F if all Aeldari was place into 1 large book, but i have a problem with them being treated like a lesser faction when they are not, regardless of army size"

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Unit amount doesnt equal equality in rules.

You seem to not understand me.

Let me make this clear.
"Making Harlequins their own army was a good move, I dont give a F if all Aeldari was place into 1 large book, but i have a problem with them being treated like a lesser faction when they are not, regardless of army size"

This. I guess it depends on what you think a codex should contain. Throwing harlequins and cwe together is fine if you're doing codices by race, but a mistake if you're doing them by armies with unique playstyles. Cwe is to harlequins what imperial guard is to admech; both human, but distinct armies. Tossing all eldar in one codex would be like doing a codex: humanity, codex: space marines (+ da, ba, sw) is codex: craftworld eldar.

I highly doubt that an army with only three models (Ynnari) is going to get its own codex.