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One of the AM Stratagems allows the faction to pick one to two Relics, can I do this without having the Warlord in the faction?

 davidgr33n wrote:
One of the AM Stratagems allows the faction to pick one to two Relics, can I do this without having the Warlord in the faction?

As long as you have an AM detachment, yes.

Example: Patrol SM Detachment, with SM as Warlord. Patrol AM Detachment.

You've unlocked the AM Stratagems, so you may now use their Relics Stratagem to give a Relic to a legal target, along with the free one from the SM Warlord. You could even use the SM Relic Stratagem to get another relic for a CP.

You could in theory with that detachment setup get a total of 5 relics, 1 Free SM, 2 paid SM and 2 paid AM.

Yes - you may use the stratagem assuming you meet all the other qualifications (i.e. have access to the stratagem, are selecting a legal target to take the relic, etc.)

Opens up new possibilities...

Thx all

You're really hampering yourself if you don't spend the 1 CP to get Kurov's Aquilla if you're already taking an IG detachment.

I agree, I always take Kurov’s Aquila

Unless the AM stratagem is worded differently than many of the others, you must be able to take the first relic before you can use the stratagem to take more, as it specifically states "Your army can have one extra....", which would insinuate that you must have one before you can have extra.

The rule is "Your army can have one extra relic from xxx". There is no reason you can't add one to zero.

 alextroy wrote:
The rule is "Your army can have one extra relic from xxx". There is no reason you can't add one to zero.

That is not what the word "extra" means. It means "in addition to". Which, as I stated before, would insinuate that you must have one relic to start with.

Extra simply means additional, or more or beyond what is normal or expected. Being granted one relic where you may ordinarily have zero is absolutely being granted one extra relic.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Extra simply means additional, or more or beyond what is normal or expected. Being granted one relic where you may ordinarily have zero is absolutely being granted one extra relic.

No, that is being granted A relic, not an extra relic. You cannot take an army's relic unless your warlord belongs to that army, so in order to get "extra", you have to have the ability to take a relic to start with.

Q: If my army is led by a Chaos Space Marines Warlord, and I have a Detachment of Death Guard, can I use the Gifts of Decay Death Guard Stratagem to include a Relic on a Death Guard Character?
A: Yes. The only requirement to have access to Stratagems is that you have a Detachment of the appropriate Faction. If you have a Death Guard Detachment, you have access to their stratagems.

From the Death Guard FAQ. Extra only means +1, not that you have to have one already.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
No, that is being granted A relic, not an extra relic. You cannot take an army's relic unless your warlord belongs to that army, so in order to get "extra", you have to have the ability to take a relic to start with.

As Chrysis says above, you're quite mistaken.

Goven that this argument has been had six dozen times already and the faq is clear there is no debate you can