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A few observations from someone new to the 40K game, but not painting GW miniatures...

1. They've talked about these Silver Templars as a new chapter exclusive to the magazine, and yet the first bunch of painting guides has us painting Ultramarines. I wonder if the guide will pivot at some point and switch focus to Silver Templars? Perhaps that's why get a second set of Reivers, and why there's more points in space marines than death guard in the full set? (And maybe why we didn't get a UItramarines transfer sheet). On the other hand, going fully down the Silver Templar route would necessitate a lot of entirely new content in terms of painting guides, artwork and fluff. Which makes it seem less likely.

2. The images suggest that all the sprues will be in appropriately coloured plastic. Not just the First Strike ones. If this actually is the case then we know that these sprues are being produced specifically for the magazine, not just being sourced from warehoused Dark Imperium etc. sprues. Obviously just producing coloured plastic versions is ridiculously simple compared to messing with the sprue layout as you don't need a new mold, but at the same time it suggests other changes are not impossible.

3. The point of the premium sub looks very much around making the contents into a standalone game: the big box, the dice, the cards and tokens - it strikes me as stuff for people that want to collect and put together something that works independently and less for those that want to "get in to the hobby" - if we get anything else, I'd expect it to be along those lines. Plastic range rulers rather than full Codexes.

A few observations from the binder:
The first ten issues fill about half of it. So it’s probably four total to hold the set. Remember you have to pay for additional ones.

Having said that, it does seem like there’s no reason whatsoever to keep any of the build guides around once you have built your stuff, so that will save some space. Likewise the painting tutorials are of limited use at the moment, even for those new to the hobby, as once you have more paints they’re not great guides. It’s possible this will change at some point and we will start to get more full paint guides.

The Play section has four headings: tutorial, rules, space marines, death guard. Everything we have had so far is in the tutorial section. This suggests we should be seeing a version of the full rules and bits from the codexes at some point in the future.

I’m actually quite intrigued to see how the magazine pivots from being very introductory to more advanced.

Tavis75 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I'm not holding my breath. If the photo of all the paints on the poster from issue 1 is accurate, the only blue you'll get is Macragge Blue, four times. No highlight colours, and the only washes seem to be Nuln Oil, Seraphim Sepia and Agrax Earthshade.

I'd suspect the image is wrong and is just to show the number of paints you'll get, rather than the actual colours, as otherwise the paint guides will have almost reached as complex as they're going to get! With BGIME the paint guides got reasonably complex by the end, at least on a par with the current Paint Splatter type guides in WD if not more complex, so I'd expect something similar here.

Yeah, we know at the very least they are covering drybrushing in issue 14, I would expect highlighting to be covered when we get more new brushes. They might always go the old fashioned route of having us actually lighten colours by mixing!

It doesn't seem that anyone with Premium has got their 15-18 yet. Is anyone with a regular sub still waiting on that delivery? If not then it's pretty clear what the hold-up is.

Same for me

Cleaned up list with prices.

Note that for Dark Imperium and First Strike I've just split the value by sprue (so divide by 8 and 4 respectively). I've also taken the paint prices at 20p higher as they're going up next month.

Other thing worth noting - that article talks about one premium box per battlezone, and the magazine seems to have four battlezones, changing every 20 issues. The new battle mat with the magazine for issue 21 onwards is twice the size of the first one, so I would expect the premium hard board mats to also be larger in boxes 2 through 4.

£17.00 01. 3x Intercessors (First Strike 1/4), Macragge Blue (base), Retributor Armour (base), Abbadon Black (base) and starter brush [assumed £2.50 for brush]
£ 9.00 02. 3x Plague Marines, dice (First Strike 2/4) and Death Guard Green (base)
£ 9.00 03. 3x Reivers (First Strike 3/4) and Leadbelcher (base)
£ 9.00 04. 6x Poxwalkers (First Strike 4/4) and Bugman's Glow (base)
£15.00 05. Lieutenant Calsius [not available in stores]
£10.00 06. 3 x Death Guard Plague Marines (Easy To Build)

£ 9.50 07. Paint: Nuln Oil (shade) and Agrax Earthshade (shade)
£22.50 08. Primaris Librarian
£10.00 09. 6 Death Guard Poxwalkers (Easy To Build)
£15.00 10. Myphitic Blight-hauler (Easy To Build)

£20.00 11. 3x Primaris Aggressors (Easy To Build)
£15.00 12. Foul Blightspawn [and range ruler from Dark Imperium]
£10.00 13. Armoured Containers 1/3
£ 8.40 14. Paint: Mechanicus Standard Grey and L Dry Brush

£15.00 15. Biologus Putrifier [and dice]
£11.88 16. 2 Intercessors, 2 Hellblasters, 1 Inceptor (Dark Imperium 1/8)
£10.00 17. Armoured Containers 2/3
£15.50 18. Paint: Rakarth Flesh (base) & Mephiston Red (base) & Gaming Mat [assumed £10 for mat but you can't buy it] [these are different paints listed to the ones in the UK magazine] [doesn't mention mat]

£25.00 19. Lord Felthius & Tainted Cohort (Easy To Build)
£10.00 20. Armoured Containers 3/3
£10.00 21. 3x Primaris Space Marine Reivers (Easy To Build) [and core rules from Dark Imperium]
£ 9.75 22. Paint: Astrogranite (texture) and "brush" [I am guessing the M Texture spatula thing they use for basing]

£12 23. Battlefield Accessories
£12.50 24. Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought (Easy To Build), 1/2
£12.50 25. Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought (Easy To Build), 2/2
£6.50 26. Paint: Abbadon Black (base) & Reikland Fleshshade (shade)

£11.75 27. Chaos Rhino, part 1
£11.75 28. Chaos Rhino, part 2
£11.88 29. Gravis Captain, Intercessor Sergeant, Inceptor Sergeant & Hellblaster Sergeant (Dark Imperium 2/8)
£ 8.75 30. Ryza-Pattern Ruins 1/2

£22.50 31. Primaris Apothecary
£22.50 32. Thermic Plasma Conduits [two sprues]
£11.88 33. Foetid Bloat Drone, Lord of Contagion & 4x Plague Marines (Dark Imperium 3/8)
£10.25 34. Paint: Gehenna’s Gold (layer) & Dawnstone (layer/dry) and M Layer Brush

£22.50 35. Primaris Chaplin
£ 8.25 36. Paint: Leadbelcher (base), Deathguard Green (base), Macragge Blue (base)
£ 8.75 37. Ryza-Pattern Ruins 2/2
£25.00 38. Nauseous Rotbone, the Plague Surgeon & Gaming Mat [assumed £10 for mat but you can't buy it]

£22.50 39. Primaris Captain
£ 8.25 40. Paint: Steel Legion Drab (base), Cadian Fleshtone (layer) & Mephiston Red (base) [could be Khorne Red if these got inverted]
£20.00 41. Plagueburst Crawler, 1/2
£20.00 42. Plagueburst Crawler, 2/2

£15.00 43. Thermic Plasma Regulators
£ 5.50 44. Paint: Thousand Sons Blue (base) & Necron Compound (dry) [get the feeling this will come with a medium or small drybrush as we're not otherwise getting one]
£15.50 45. 5x Space Marine Scouts
£11.88 46. Blight Bringer, Plague Caster, Plague Marine (Dark Imperium 4/8)

£18.50 47. Land Speeder
£13.33 48. Bike Squad (1/2) [2 bikes]
£ 8.25 49. Paint: Abbadon Black (base), Ushabti Bone (layer) & Calgar Blue (layer)
£12.00 50. 10x Chaos Cultists [two sets x £6]

£12.50 51. Haemotrope Reactor (1/2)
£ 4.55 52. Paint: Martian Ironcrust (texture)
£ 6.67 53. Bike Squad (2/2) [1 bike]
£25.00 54. Typhus - Herald of the Plague God

£15.00 55. Sector Mechanicus Alchomite Stack [the imagine only shows half of it so guess just the one sprue, we never appear to get the other one]
£11.88 56. 5x Intercessors, 2x Primaris Lieutenant, 1x Primaris Ancient (Dark Imperium 5/8)
£ 5.50 57. Paint: Temple Guard Blue (layer) & Baneblade Brown (layer)
£26.50 58. Attack Bike & Gaming Mat [assumed £10 for mat but you can't buy it]

£11.88 59. 2 Intercessors, 2 Hellblasters, 1 Inceptor (Dark Imperium 6/8)
£11.88 60. 10 Poxwalkers, 1 Plague Marine (Dark Imperium 7/8)
£12.50 61. Sector Mechanicus Galvanic Servohaulers 1/2
£12.50 62. Sector Mechanicus Galvanic Servohaulers 2/2 [The image is actually missing the smaller crane, but it's on the same sprues as the other stuff so they can't leave it out without a redesign]

£11.88 63. 10 Poxwalkers, 1 Plague Marine (Dark Imperium 8/8)
£ 8.45 64. Paint: Runefang Steel (layer), Screamer Pink (base) & Nihilakh Oxide (technical)
£30.00 65. Space Marine Heroes
£15.00 66. Plague Marine Icon Bearer

£15.50 67. 5x Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles
£12.50 68. Haemotrope Reactor (2/2)
£15.00 69. Plague Marine Champion
£ 7.50 70. Paint: Athonian Camoshade (shade) & Ogryn Camo (layer)

£20.00 71. Sector Imperialis Objectives
£25.00 72. 2x Chaos Spawn [two sprues]
£ 5.50 73. Paint: Runefang Steel (layer) & Celestra Grey (base) [seems really unlikely we get a second pot of a layer paint like Runefang just two months later]
£15.00 74. Scribbus Wretch, the Tallyman

£12.50 75. Primaris Repulsor (1/4)
£12.50 76. Primaris Repulsor (2/4)
£12.50 77. Primaris Repulsor (3/4)
£12.50 78. Primaris Repulsor (4/4)

£22.50 79. Sector Mechanicus Galvanic Magnavent (1/2) [two sprues]
£22.50 80. Sector Mechanicus Galvanic Magnavent (2/2) [two sprues]

Oh total value £1,109.19. £887.352 if you pick everything up at a 20% discount. Against £625 for the total magazine cost.

Danny76 wrote:
Only thing I did differently on my pricing list, is put £8 on each DI sprue. (Just magazine cost).

Problem is that box is full of a lot more (not least of all the big £30 odd rulebook, so the sprue value isn’t at a 1/8 cost.
(Probably even less than 8 really. I think most people are selling the half of either force for £30-35 on eBay etc).

Yeah it's tricky. On one hand they are worth less because of all the extra stuff, on the other hand if you're just looking at picking up certain issues, they're worth more as you don't have to buy them all together.

Almost certain the full rulebook will be one of the opt-out extra "issues" - be interesting to see if it comes at a big discount. The other DI booklets they are basically re-purposing for the magazine itself, and we have the range ruler and dice. I'd be amazed if we didn't get the transfer sheet at some point too, probably in a two-paint issue.


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Other thoughts: 4 more paints listed than on the poster, and there's no way any of the poster paints are thousand sons blue, nialakh oxide or screamer pink.

I would guess one of the runefang steels is a mess-up and it should be ceramite white.


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Oh and the Alchomite Stack wasn't on the original poster at all, so guess it's a bonus even if we only get half a kit. The full hauler set is on the poster.

Danny76 wrote:

But that’s just me, I wouldn’t want to individually pay £11.88 eight times to get those sprues and but then miss out on the rules, is what I’m saying.

I guess what we don't know yet is how much of the rules will actually get printed verbatim in the magazine anyway

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Also, spot on Orlanth.
To me those small paper mats are at zero cost, particularly if they’re all just like the one we already received (which they are going to be, as it’s only premium subs that get the heftier ones I’d imagine)

The second one is twice the size of the first one. Obviously like anything in Conquest if you don't want something it's not really worth anything in your calculation if they're not otherwise sold.

But given GW sell a Warhammer Underworlds board in hard cardboard, but half the size of the first mat and a quarter of the size of the second, for £15 then £10 didn't sound like a bad call.
(It also means GW would value those premium boards at £200+ which explains a lot!)

Of course, that board is a rip-off based on production costs but, y'know, so are all GW minis...

I think it's down to how you look at it. My approach was to just say "okay, if I wanted this from GW, what's the cheapest way to get it?" - in the case of those 8 sprues, it's Dark Imperium. That's the cheapest way to buy them. You can't buy just the sprues on their own for £70.

The flip side of that is if they added the rules to the subscription for free, I wouldn't value the total value of the sub any higher because if you were buying the stuff separately, you would already have the rules from DI.

If we factor in the value of other things then the cheapest way to get all the paints, for example, is to buy the GW paint bundles, if you assume all the other paints are also have value.

And then of course the question of if the magazine itself has any value. We value a 250 or so page rulebook but not the 1600 pages of partwork...

Like I say, it's a rabbit hole. For me the only approach that seemed logical was "what would it cost me to buy all this?" - and where stuff wasn't on sale, how much similar equivalents costed elsewhere.

Lets face it, realistically an extra squad of plague marines would be better value than yet another plague marine character for 99% of people...

Just as a note, the warhammer tv video for 19-20 went up and it’s the last one, apparently. It’s likely it was only ever planned for the first twenty issues, though it’s also possible the Hachette/GW partnership isn’t working out as well as planned.

Another 40k one that was say, Orks vs Eldar would be different enough I would think - all different models, paint schemes and even rules to some extent. At some point soon subscribing from issue one will stop being an option at which point launching another similar series becomes viable. Because you're selling to two different audiences.

Collectors of the first set wouldn't be the target audience (in the same way people already playing 40K are not the target audience for Conquest).

AoS is the obvious next step - it's almost easier as it has that progressive play mechanic already built in to the rules.

But there's other options. There might be a desire to experiment with say, a Kill Team partwork at a lower price point (£4.99) with a mix of models, cards, paints and scenery.

Or even Lord of the Rings?

Worth noting GW recruited a while ago for a partworks division, which suggests more than just one concurrent project. Although with the series wrapping up I can easily see the next partwork being a complete Horus Heresy novel set.

What's sort of interesting is that's £9 an issue, more than even Conquest, suggesting that a future part-work could have a more expensive price (which would possibly mean more options in what they can include).

tneva82 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Are people annoyed because they wanted £8 dreads though?

That, and some of the promo material showed the full kit (with the missile pod on top).

There's a 240-issue partwork starting now that gives you a 1250mm 1:200 scale kit of the Bismark. Funnily enough, all the promo material shows that full kit too.

Huh= Getting off topic but what sort of deluxe kit that is? Googlign 1:200 bismarc got lots of kits in amazon for about 200-300 euro's so this over 2000£ seems rather expensive. What's so special in that kit to be worth THAT much money?

Suddenly GW games seems cheap

It's actually only 140 issues so just over £1200. Still a rip off though, but then that's never (until now) been the point of these partworks. They provide you hobby stuff over time to put together weekly/monthly and spread the cost, but being good value has never been a selling point. The 40K one is weird in that respect. Though many would argue that's only because GW stuff is massively overpriced already.

Casualty wrote:

Curious what they might do this with again in future based on the success of this. Any reason they wouldn't do something similar with Shadowspear?

I'm actually wondering if we will see some of the Shadowspear sprues in Conquest. I mean, if that was the intent, they wouldn't have been able to include them on the full contents image, as they wouldn't have been revealed yet. I can easily see the scout squad, attack bike and bike squad being swapped out for the Shadowspear units, along with some of the heroes.They always seemed to be a weird inclusion anyway (especially as we now basically have Primaris scouts).

I presume none of the chaos side of this box makes much sense in a Death Guard army though? There's certainly less they could swap out (just the launcher, chaos spawn and 2 heroes - those are the remaining none Dark Imperium stuff coming for DG).

Alternatively those sprues could make a good ten issue extension I guess?

Danny76 wrote:
Scouts and bikes are perfect for this kit.
Old kits that aren’t any worth to them anymore.
.

While that's true, the vast majority of the partwork isn't old kits. It's newer ETB stuff.

And arguably there's less "value" to the subscriber in the SS sprues as they can be got for cheaper in the box (not like those bikes are cheap).

Not even like they can use inventory stuck around in a warehouse as they need to be done in coloured plastic.

Thinking about it, demand must be an issue here. They will already have the molds for say, the old scout marine sets. So they can produce a bunch more. But how many? How long will that mold last? Would they make another one just for Conquest, even though that mini is probably getting to the end of the line for GW. I've no clue how many minis a single mold makes, or how that compares with the level of demand for Conquest either...

Yeah GW have their own publishing arm and do White Dwarf which has circulation in newsagents. If this goes well, if I'm GW I'm certainly asking if I *need* Hachette for a future release - especially if I'm getting feedback from customers that their service levels leave something to be desired.

If we do get another one (40K or AoS) will be interesting to see if they go the Contrast route for painting too.

Baseless speculation on the future as we're now well past the half way point? I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an extension of this - an extra 20 issues, new map, excuse to put out the Shadowspear Primaris units (and associated lore etc in the magazine). Plus throw in a bunch of Contrast paints and guides for using those. Not ideal as that means changing painting methods part way through an army, but I'm not sure that bothers GW too much.

Another series? I'm now thinking with the new Sisters range being out by the time this wraps up that we could see that being one of the factions - this partwork was really targeted at new/younger players, so a faction that would appeal more to women seems to fit that mandate of drawing in new players.

Probably deserves it’s own thread, but AoS version: https://www.warhammermortalrealms.com/

(What I find most surprising is the price hasn’t gone up. No sign of premium this time either)

I did wonder about Contrast, but I guess for that to be worthwhile you need a spray undercoat. Doing Wraithbone on everything by hand, then doing Contrast over that doesn’t save much time. And the focus on younger players means sprays may not be an option.

If we get something else it could be Warcry or Kill Team focused. Give people a bunch of smaller forces over the course of the subscription rather than two big ones.

It could also be a viable distribution model for Underworlds? Every warband is two ETB sprues plus cards and sells for about £16. Easy to split over two issues. Only issue is you'd need a lot more different paints- but that could be viable as the minis themselves wouldn't be at much of a discount. Average month could be sprue one, sprue two, three paints, cards. With the occasional extra board, dice, tokens, terrain pieces etc.

JWBS wrote:

That would be £32 for a warband plus 3 paints, which is paying quite steeply over the odds compared to just buying them from GW.

Depends how much every issue is.