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Anyone think a Power sword is worth it on Intercessors?

I was going to run them 5 man strong with regular bolt rifles. Probably also giving one a grenade launcher.

Normally I'd say "no", but the sarge gets three attacks and they only cost 4 points nowadays, so it seems like it would make much more sense than, say, on a tactical sarge.

I think it is easily worth it, I gave all my Intercessor sergeants one. They're surprisingly good in close combat, and against other marines or other heavily armoured foes that extra AP is really effective.

Besides, with the regular bolt rifles you ideally want to get in the rapid fire range, so it is quite possible that you might end up in a close combat whether you wanted it or not.

PowerSword if you have the points, always take the auxilary grenade launcher (Put it on the sargeant. Always shoot the krak grenade over 15". Under 15" normally is still worth it to shoot the grenade over the two Bolt Rifle shots), and normal bolt rifles, yeah. If you are BA, give him the free chainsword.

As you can split fire, theres normally no reason to not shoot the krak grenade to something like a light vehicle, etc..

Frag from the launcher and a grenade if you manage to be range for both versus squishy units. I always take the power sword.

You can't use the Auxiliary Grenade Launcher and one grenade at the same time.

The Auxiliary only increases the range of the grenades to 30", is not a different weapon like a Grenade-Launcher.

Thanks for the advice. These would be Dark Angels themed, and I like the idea of being able to make the sword a Heavenfall blade if I felt so inclined just to make him a surprisingly killy hidden mini-character.

It sounds like my instinct is spot on with the bolt rifle being the way to go? I'm guessing even plasma pistols aren't worth it compared to the power sword?

What about for a Lieutenant? I was actually considering a stalker bolt rifle there.

For what it's worth, if you're not thinking about really moving the Intercessors I think the Stalker has potential. I don't see much use for the Carbine though.

The Primaris Lieutenaut works better with a Stalker, giving you supporting fire in the backline with your tanks/devastators, etc...

But if you want your Lieutenaut in the front line with a power sword... it can do work.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
For what it's worth, if you're not thinking about really moving the Intercessors I think the Stalker has potential. I don't see much use for the Carbine though.

If the stalker armed Intercessors where of the same cost as normal Intercessors I would say that yes, go ahead. But they are more expensive, I don't think they are worth it.

You know one good thing about the relative lack of options on Intercessors is that we won't have a million 'Intercessor Loadout?' threads cropping up with dudes arguing about the merits or lack thereof of the heavy bolter...

 Galas wrote:
The Primaris Lieutenaut works better with a Stalker, giving you supporting fire in the backline with your tanks/devastators, etc...

But if you want your Lieutenaut in the front line with a power sword... it can do work.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
For what it's worth, if you're not thinking about really moving the Intercessors I think the Stalker has potential. I don't see much use for the Carbine though.

If the stalker armed Intercessors where of the same cost as normal Intercessors I would say that yes, go ahead. But they are more expensive, I don't think they are worth it.

Well Intercessors were mostly, at best, okay-ish before the two point decrease, and now with the new price, Stalker Intercessors are at that old price of 20 points.

I haven't tried them as of yet, but that extra foot over the Carbine (where you aren't even firing) and Rifle (where you outperform until they get in Rapid Fire) is gonna warrant fiddling for the mere cost of 10 points per squad.

 Galas wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
For what it's worth, if you're not thinking about really moving the Intercessors I think the Stalker has potential. I don't see much use for the Carbine though.

If the stalker armed Intercessors where of the same cost as normal Intercessors I would say that yes, go ahead. But they are more expensive, I don't think they are worth it.

If Stalker bolt rifles were snipers, then they'd be worth taking.

Re. the OP's question, I think the power sword is close to an auto-take.

 daedalus wrote:
Thanks for the advice. These would be Dark Angels themed, and I like the idea of being able to make the sword a Heavenfall blade if I felt so inclined just to make him a surprisingly killy hidden mini-character.

You can't give a relic to the sergeant, he's not a character.

What about for a Lieutenant? I was actually considering a stalker bolt rifle there.

I'd take the sword. For some insane reason, unlike the captains and sergeants, the lieutenants cannot have both the rifle and the sword. So you have to ask yourself, is this one BS 3+ rifle shot gonna have a meaningful impact to the game? I think not. However, four WS 2+ power sword attacks might. Again, you don't even need to seek combat with this character, but he can act as deterrent and possibly fight off pesky threats that come to pester your shooty units.

Better question, how the hell do you get enough power swords? Building Black Templar ain't easy. Hoping for an upgrade pack eventually.

momerathe wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
For what it's worth, if you're not thinking about really moving the Intercessors I think the Stalker has potential. I don't see much use for the Carbine though.

If the stalker armed Intercessors where of the same cost as normal Intercessors I would say that yes, go ahead. But they are more expensive, I don't think they are worth it.

If Stalker bolt rifles were snipers, then they'd be worth taking.

Re. the OP's question, I think the power sword is close to an auto-take.

definitely take the power sword.

I will agree that if the stalkers were more like sniper rifles they would be an auto take. but that aside I generally run 2 squads of intercessors one with auto bolt rifles and the other stalkers and have had pretty decent results. granted I'm keeping the stalkers near my Lt and capt to maximize re-rolls and pushing the auto squad up the board to hunt objectives.

I don't think the stalkers are terrible, but you don't want many squads with them. They're a good weapon for backfield objective campers for obvious reasons though.

Auto bolt rifles are pretty meh, because the Reavers have (bizarrely, completely different looking and named) weapon with the same stats, but the Reivers have better extra rules.
I wish the auto bolters were good, as they're the best looking variant...

KnuckleWolf wrote:
Better question, how the hell do you get enough power swords? Building Black Templar ain't easy. Hoping for an upgrade pack eventually.

I’ve been using the ones from the ravenwing accessory sprue. More relic blade sized, which works well for the intercessors.

 Crimson wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
Thanks for the advice. These would be Dark Angels themed, and I like the idea of being able to make the sword a Heavenfall blade if I felt so inclined just to make him a surprisingly killy hidden mini-character.

You can't give a relic to the sergeant, he's not a character.

Right. Yeah. I swear I know how to play this game.

What about for a Lieutenant? I was actually considering a stalker bolt rifle there.

I'd take the sword. For some insane reason, unlike the captains and sergeants, the lieutenants cannot have both the rifle and the sword. So you have to ask yourself, is this one BS 3+ rifle shot gonna have a meaningful impact to the game? I think not. However, four WS 2+ power sword attacks might. Again, you don't even need to seek combat with this character, but he can act as deterrent and possibly fight off pesky threats that come to pester your shooty units.

That's a good point. I always pictured his use-case being mostly the buff aura, which would suggest that he'd be the last one in melee, because he'd be trying to hide around as many shooting bodies as he can. I figured that one shot a turn could be a potential dead terminator or something of the sort. Just any target of opportunity. Like you say though, he is much better at stabbing than he is at shooting. Maybe I can work out a magnetization option or something and see which choice fits me better.




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KnuckleWolf wrote:
Better question, how the hell do you get enough power swords? Building Black Templar ain't easy. Hoping for an upgrade pack eventually.

They're littered all over the place in DA/RW kits. I also have a modest GK army, so if I didn't mind using swords obviously Force Swordy in nature, I probably have more of those laying around spare than I have primaris marines total.

For those using DA/RW/GK parts, are you running into any problems with the size of the hands? I'm assuming your attaching at the wrist joint to a Primaris arm piece?

That's what I did. The hand is slightly different looking and maybe a TINY bit smaller, but it's really not noticeable unless you go out of your way to inspect it and even then I'm not sure you could tell unless you literally held both hands side by side.

Yeah its hardly noticable.

Power swords are in all sorts of kits and are pretty easy to get on bits sites.

Grenade launcher you can get two off the grenade harness on the new terminator kits.

or some other flavor of conversion.

im a fan of just the stock boltrifle grenade launcher and power sword combo. its pretty decent all around.

 Primark G wrote:
Frag from the launcher and a grenade if you manage to be range for both versus squishy units. I always take the power sword.

You can throw one and shoot one in the shooting phase.

 Primark G wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Frag from the launcher and a grenade if you manage to be range for both versus squishy units. I always take the power sword.

You can throw one and shoot one in the shooting phase.

You cannot. Grenade launcher increase the profile of a grenade that model has to 30. it doesn't make it an assault weapon or something else.

It is still a grenade and you can only use one grenade per unit. (except when you have permission)

I generally just use bolt rifles. Weight of fire. I find with a power sword, I'm maneuvering to get the charge, and with the GL I'm always breaking his shot to try to get lucky on something heavy.

 Desubot wrote:

 Primark G wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Frag from the launcher and a grenade if you manage to be range for both versus squishy units. I always take the power sword.

You can throw one and shoot one in the shooting phase.

You cannot. Grenade launcher increase the profile of a grenade that model has to 30. it doesn't make it an assault weapon or something else.

It is still a grenade and you can only use one grenade per unit. (except when you have permission)

This is correct. The rule simply allows you to increase the range of any grenade weapons to 30" ie. Frag and Krak. You're still "using" a grenade and so can only have one per model unit fire it. You're not firing a Bolt Rifle with grenade stats.

On topic, I always give power swords to anyone who can take them. They are hugely cheaper than previous editions and now effect 2+ saves which makes them much useful and act as a counter-punch to a lot of things that will inevitably charge you.

 NurglesR0T wrote:


On topic, I always give power swords to anyone who can take them. They are hugely cheaper than previous editions and now effect 2+ saves which makes them much useful and act as a counter-punch to a lot of things that will inevitably charge you.

Its very nice on intercessor considering primarus gets an extra attack.