Soup Restrictions

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**CREEEEEEEEED**

This is mostly just me trying to work out what the ramifications are for constructing armies in a certain way.
So the BRB says for a battle forged army, "you must organise all your units in your army into Detachments."
"An army can include any number of detachments, and you can mix and match them together however you like."

So most of the detachments require every unit to be from the same faction. Let's take the most obvious soup keyword, Imperium.
If I'm taking space marines, they only get their chapter tactic in a detachment where all units have the keyword Adeptus Astartes.
Say I want to pad them out with some guardsmen. I could do as the rulebook suggests and have other units in that detachment that are tied with Imperium rather than tied with Adeptus Astartes.
This means by souping I lose out on chapter tactics.

But what's to stop me taking an all Adeptus Aastartes battalion detachment, and an Astra Millitarum patrol with one company commander and three infantry squads, maintaining my chapter tactics and the regimental doctrines?

Further to that, I can't see anything indicating separate detachments must share keywords to maintain being a battle forged army.
Why can't I take an Imperium Detachment and an Ork detachment in the same battleforged army. As long as the units all stick to their own detachments, it should be fine, right, as the restriction of "all units must be from the same faction" is at the detachment level?

**Leo_the_Rat**

In matched play battle forged requires all units to share a key word. In open play go for it..

Just to be clear to get chapter tactics all units in a detachment must share the same <chapter> designation otherwise you only open up the astartes strategies.

Anyone who does soup will separate units into detachments of like key words. So in your example they would take a detachment of SM and a detachment of IG. Which type of detachments only matter in so far as which units you want to use.

**Farseer_V2**

Matched Played requires all detachments to share a keyword (so in this case Imperium).

That said from a competitive element there is 0 reason not to take an Astra Militarum detachment and a Space Marines detachment to unlock chapter tactics and regiments as well as both suites of stratagems.

**BaconCatBug**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
But what's to stop me taking an all Adeptus Aastartes battalion detachment, and an Astra Millitarum patrol with one company commander and three infantry squads, maintaining my chapter tactics and the regimental doctrines?

Absolutely nothing other than the HQ tax.

Further to that, I can't see anything indicating separate detachments must share keywords to maintain being a battle forged army.
Why can't I take an Imperium Detachment and an Ork detachment in the same battleforged army. As long as the units all stick to their own detachments, it should be fine, right, as the restriction of "all units must be from the same faction" is at the detachment level?

Matched play rules has this restriction.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Ah, I've never actually played matched, so that explains it.

**Skullphoquer**

There is no restriction in "Matched Play"/"Battle-Forged Armies" that tells your whole army have to share a Faction Keyword.
Just the Units in the Detatchments have to share the same Faction Keyword.
So you can play an Ork Detachment and an Imperial Detachment in "Matched Play", and gain the Strategems and "Legion Traits".

**Ghaz**

Skullphoquer wrote:
There is no restriction in "Matched Play"/"Battle-Forged Armies" that tells your whole army have to share a Faction Keyword.
Just the Units in the Detatchments have to share the same Faction Keyword.
So you can play an Ork Detachment and an Imperial Detachment in "Matched Play", and gain the Strategems and "Legion Traits".

False. From page 214 of the main rulebook:

ARMY FACTION
All of the units in a matched play army, with the exception of those that are UNALIGNED, must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. IMPERIUM or CHAOS), even though they may be in different Detachments.

**Farseer_V2**

Skullphoquer wrote:
There is no restriction in "Matched Play"/"Battle-Forged Armies" that tells your whole army have to share a Faction Keyword.
Just the Units in the Detatchments have to share the same Faction Keyword.
So you can play an Ork Detachment and an Imperial Detachment in "Matched Play", and gain the Strategems and "Legion Traits".

Ninja'd.