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Hi,

Newbie question, I have looked for answers but not found a clear one. Can a bloat drone role the armour save, then if failed the invulnerability save, then if failed again the Disgustingly resilient save, e.g. three saves. Its a bone of contention between my kids.....

edgarina wrote:
Hi,

Newbie question, I have looked for answers but not found a clear one. Can a bloat drone role the armour save, then if failed the invulnerability save, then if failed again the Disgustingly resilient save, e.g. three saves. Its a bone of contention between my kids.....

No. You only get one Save, followed by any rules that ignore wounds.

Page 181 of the rulebook.

Each time a wound is allocated to a model with an invulnerable save, you can choose to use either its normal Save characteristic or its invulnerable save, but not both.

If you only have the battle primer it's a sidebar on the 3rd page of the Shooting Phase rules.

However, rules like Disgustingly Resilient are not "saves", they are special rules that can ignore wounds. So you get one save, either invulnerable or normal, plus Disgustingly Resilient for each point of damage if it fails the save. If you somehow had two rules that can ignore wounds (for example the Rulebook Warlord Trait) you get to use both to attempt to ignore the wound.

You take your best save, armour or invulnerable, against wounds. Then for each unsaved wound calculate damage.
Then for each point of damage take a disgustingly resilient roll.

thanks for clearing that up, still familiarising myself with the rules, it aint easy....

To expand on BaconCatBug’s answer.


You can only choose one of either Armour Save or Invulnerable Save.

Then after failing this you see how much damage you suffer then take the Disgusting Resilient roll for each point of damage.

It’s worth pointing out that some units/items grant you 2 or 3 chances at the ignore damage rolls. Oftenly refereed to as Feel No Pain.

edgarina wrote:
thanks for clearing that up, still familiarising myself with the rules, it aint easy....

Also remember that damage should be handled separately.

Attacker shoots into a squad of Poxwalkers, with a weapon that deals 2 damage.
Attacker rolls to hit, and rolls to wound, landing 3 of his shots.
The Poxwalker player saves none of these, meaning 3 shots get through.
Since each hit does 2 damage, the Poxwalker player would make 3 disgustingly resilient rolls, of 2 dice each.

Poxwalker 1: Rolls a 3, and a 4. So it takes 2 damage. it has 1 wound, so it dies.
Poxwalker 2: Rolls a 5, and a 2. So it takes 1 damage. It has 1 wound, so it dies.
Poxwalker 3: Rolls a 6 and a 5, so it takes 0 damage. It lives.

Remember, this scenario was modeled with a weapon that has 2 base damage, and against models with 1 wound only. You end up dealing a total of 3 damage but only killing 2 poxwalkers.

 Marmatag wrote:

edgarina wrote:
thanks for clearing that up, still familiarising myself with the rules, it aint easy....

Also remember that damage should be handled separately.

Attacker shoots into a squad of Poxwalkers, with a weapon that deals 2 damage.
Attacker rolls to hit, and rolls to wound, landing 3 of his shots.
The Poxwalker player saves none of these, meaning 3 shots get through.
Since each hit does 2 damage, the Poxwalker player would make 3 disgustingly resilient rolls, of 2 dice each.

Poxwalker 1: Rolls a 3, and a 4. So it takes 2 damage. it has 1 wound, so it dies.
Poxwalker 2: Rolls a 5, and a 2. So it takes 1 damage. It has 1 wound, so it dies.
Poxwalker 3: Rolls a 6 and a 5, so it takes 0 damage. It lives.

Remember, this scenario was modeled with a weapon that has 2 base damage, and against models with 1 wound only. You end up dealing a total of 3 damage but only killing 2 poxwalkers.

And remember that damage doesn't spill between wounds, such as in Marmatag's first example. 1 wound causes 2 damage (with this weapon that does 2 base damage). For example a lascannon doing 6 damage doesnt kill 6 marines, but does 1 wound to 1 marine, that then does 6 damage to that marine. You end up with 1 very very dead dude.

A great way of remembering this is that your buddies don't explode from sympathy pains.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
You take your best save, armour or invulnerable, against wounds. Then for each unsaved wound calculate damage.
Then for each point of damage take a disgustingly resilient roll.

Technically you don't have to take the best save available, you can choose which one to take (best save was a previous edition rule).

In most cases, you will want to take the best save you have to maximise your chance of surviving, but there might be that rare situation where you want to fail a save for whatever reason.