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I'm in the middle of retooling my Sisters for 8th with a view to rebuilding the army and I need Dakka's help in updating their fluff.

A few questions:

- How mad are Robot Guillotine's faction about the Ecclesiarchy stuff? Mad enough to start a war? Mad enough to welcome aid from dissenting voices within the Ecclesiarchy who think they often go too far with the "PURGE CLEANSE BURN" stuff?

- How mad would Robot's lot be about the Inquisition? The Big E never liked psykers, so would the Ordo Hereticus be on his hitlist?

- Is it at all possible to cross the Great Rift, or are my Sisters up north just stuck there for the forseeable future?

Thanks!

If you mean Roboute Guilliman, he's apparently happy enough that he puts up with Celestine and her Geminae, as well as Greyfax and the Inquisition. Or at the very least, not so unhappy that he turns them down, or even attempts to find ways to control them.

Robert Gullible, that's him. All the fluff I'm reading says he's "incensed" by the Emperor-worship, finds it "despicable", all that jazz. Pretty strong stuff, although I suppose there's no direct threat to do anything about it. Just seems like they're talking it up an awful lot.

 BBAP wrote:
Robert Gullible, that's him. All the fluff I'm reading says he's "incensed" by the Emperor-worship, finds it "despicable", all that jazz. Pretty strong stuff, although I suppose there's no direct threat to do anything about it. Just seems like they're talking it up an awful lot.

During the events of the fall of Cadia Guilliman is essentially confronted by this and he responds as you might expect but is talked into tolerating both the Inquisition and the Imperial Cult by Celestine and Greyfax.

In my eyes he has no real choice for the time being as he is beset on all sides by Xenos and Heretics. It does make for an interesting dynamic however, as he certainly maintains an uneasy peace with these organisations.

Dark Imperium has Guilliman getting a priest to translate things into Emperor botherer speeches, essentially. That priest is trying to convince Guilliman of his divinity.

 BBAP wrote:
I'm in the middle of retooling my Sisters for 8th with a view to rebuilding the army and I need Dakka's help in updating their fluff.

A few questions:

- How mad are Robot Guillotine's faction about the Ecclesiarchy stuff? Mad enough to start a war? Mad enough to welcome aid from dissenting voices within the Ecclesiarchy who think they often go too far with the "PURGE CLEANSE BURN" stuff?

- How mad would Robot's lot be about the Inquisition? The Big E never liked psykers, so would the Ordo Hereticus be on his hitlist?

- Is it at all possible to cross the Great Rift, or are my Sisters up north just stuck there for the forseeable future?

Thanks!

1: My impression is he's not actually angry. desparing maybe but not ANGRY. and he's not upset eneugh to start a war. Gulliman is a very pratical minded individual, proably the most so of the Primarchs, he's not going to start a civil war while the barbarians are at the gates. Well he's likely to support priests who at least are of a workable mindset with him, that does NOT mean he's going to be opposed to "burn the heretics" Chaos, as Gulliman knows, is very real. This gets us to
2: He wouldnt be mad at all, the inqusition dates back to the very end of the heresy, Gulliman likewise is familer with the Inqusition. I imagine (like every other powerr) Gulliman interacts well with some inqusitors and buts heads with others. He's not likely psuh a fight with the inqusition, especially over Pskyers (the ordo Hereticus spends a lot of time hunting down rogue psykers)
3:: I belive there are a few passages yes.

anyway the short answer re Gulliman is he's the LEAST likely primarch to start a civil war.

 BBAP wrote:
Robert Gullible, that's him. All the fluff I'm reading says he's "incensed" by the Emperor-worship, finds it "despicable", all that jazz. Pretty strong stuff, although I suppose there's no direct threat to do anything about it. Just seems like they're talking it up an awful lot.

Here's the simple formula for deciding what fluff, new or old, is important or otherwise in 8th Ed: will it immediately negatively impact, in any way, model sales based on the status quo ante? If No, it's fine to take it at face value. If Yes, acknowledge or ignore it to whatever degree you like because GW will do exactly that.

Big rifty teary thing dividing the Imperium in two, no really, it's totes serious business; except if GW need a character or faction to cross it to make sure everyone everywhere has Primaris and all the corners they wrote themselves into when 40K was still a "minutes to midnight" setting can be Deus Ex Machina'd out of again, in which case fleets will nip across like they're popping out for a pint of milk. Prior attitudes of Space Marine chapters, parts of their character and mode of thought that have seemed set in stone for their whole existence; cast-iron, until they have a wee cup of tea and a chat with Rowboat and a Custodian, at which point they'll happily embrace the new-but-not-actually-that-different status quo. Characters with firmly stated traits and motivations; will have an appreciable effect directly related to how much they would impact said status quo.

So, no matter how much Rowboat dislikes the Ecclesiarchy, no matter how suspicious some Chapters would be of Primaris and of Rowboat himself, no matter how much you read about some Inquisitors forming cabals to plot against Rowboat, no matter how dire a cliffhanger is for a plot in "the bad half", when it comes right down to it actually following through on such things would limit the appeal of some models to some customers and so they'll go nowhere. The "plot" of 8th is constructed entirely to give the impression of forward narrative momentum without actually changing anything of note, the needle will swing one way or another but it'll never redline - no chapter will end up refusing Primaris, no Inquisitors will ever actually move against Rowboat, and Rowboat will never actually do anything about the Ecclesiarchy except grumble to himself in third-person narrative thought-bubbles or commiserate with his Custodian bodyguards about how unwashed the masses are these days.

Reading back, that all comes off a lot more bitter than I intended when typing it, but I'm just trying to emphasise that more than ever before the only version of 40K that really matters is the one in your own head, because if GW are moving forward with the attitude that the background, old or new, only matters to them so long as it's convenient, why should it matter to fans what GW think is "official" at all? What's "official" today could mean nothing tomorrow, so the best way IMO is "do what thou wilt" - if you think there's some cool conflict to be mined from GW's characterisation of the Xenos Abomination - sorry, "gloriously returned Primarch" - then grab a pickaxe and have at it, otherwise any question along the lines of "is XYZ significant/likely to lead to anything" will be answered "probably not".