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2018/04/07 14:20:26
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Steel Behemoth special rule:
"... It can also still fire its weapons if enemy units are within 1" of it (but only its twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer can target units that are within 1" of it - its other guns must target other units)..."
If I successfullly charge it with 1 unit, can it still overwatch the next unit that attempts a charge? If so, can it still use it's heavy flamers to overwatch the 2nd charger?
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2018/04/07 14:23:06
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yes to both.
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2018/04/07 14:24:37
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Norn Queen
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tag8833 wrote:The Steel Behemoth special rule: "... It can also still fire its weapons if enemy units are within 1" of it (but only its twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer can target units that are within 1" of it - its other guns must target other units)..."
If I successfullly charge it with 1 unit, can it still overwatch the next unit that attempts a charge? If so, can it still use it's heavy flamers to overwatch the 2nd charger?
Yes. It can still fire its weapons even if enemies are within 1". This is an explicit exemption from the normal rule prohibiting this. The rulebook says "it cannot fire if there are any enemy models within 1" of it." The Baneblade says "can also still fire its weapons if enemy units are within 1" of it". Since the entire game has to be based on specific overriding general, the Baneblade can shoot overwatch even if it's within 1", but not with it's twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/04/07 14:25:22
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2018/04/07 15:11:52
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dont have my rulebook to hand, but doesn't the rule for overwatch have conditions about not already being in combat?
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2018/04/07 15:15:04
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Norn Queen
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Ice_can wrote:Dont have my rulebook to hand, but doesn't the rule for overwatch have conditions about not already being in combat?
"A target unit can potentially fire Overwatch several times a turn, though it cannot fire if there are any enemy models within 1" of it." The Baneblade explicitly has an exemption to any "within 1 inch" restriction. There is no such thing as "in combat" in 8th. There is only "within 1 inch".
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/04/07 15:16:39
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2018/04/07 17:07:44
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yes to both questions.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/04/07 18:33:43
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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 BaconCatBug wrote:...Since the entire game has to be based on specific overriding general, the Baneblade can shoot overwatch even if it's within 1", but not with it's twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer.
Why wouldn't it be able to fire overwatch with its "twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer"?
I see that only its twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer can target units that are within 1" of the vehicle, but surely these weapons do not have to only target those units right?
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2018/04/07 18:59:17
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Norn Queen
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 DeathReaper wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:...Since the entire game has to be based on specific overriding general, the Baneblade can shoot overwatch even if it's within 1", but not with it's twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer.
Why wouldn't it be able to fire overwatch with its "twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer"?
I see that only its twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer can target units that are within 1" of the vehicle, but surely these weapons do not have to only target those units right?
Good point, the "only" is in the wrong place to deny that. Tricky English Grammar strikes again!  
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/04/07 18:59:25
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2018/04/07 23:04:59
Subject: Can a Baneblade still fire Overwatch if it is already within 1" of an Enemy Unit?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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DeathReaper wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:...Since the entire game has to be based on specific overriding general, the Baneblade can shoot overwatch even if it's within 1", but not with it's twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer.
Why wouldn't it be able to fire overwatch with its "twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer"?
I see that only its twin heavy bolters or twin heavy flamer can target units that are within 1" of the vehicle, but surely these weapons do not have to only target those units right?
Yep, BCB is 100% incorrect here. Allowing HBs and HFs to target units within 1” in no way prevents them shooting at stuff further away.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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