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With GW pushing codexes out at a fast rate then ever before (past editions we might have 5/6 by now) with a handful given new units for some codexes we're looking at having a full codex range (SOB excluded) within a handful of months

When they hit that point what would people prefer to see them concentrate on most?

1) Freshing old kits (eg new Aspect Warriors/Ork Boyz)

2) New units to fill gaps (eg. Skitarii HQ/Death Guard Flyer)

3) New Factions (eg. Exodites / Freebooter Orks)

4) Something else - if so what?

The campaign book idea. Where a book about Warzone X might come out and two or more armies might get one release each. A combination of redoing existing units and new stuff would be ideal.

All the subfactions to be taken off index rules. My sister's of silence arn't feeling very friendly towards custodes right now.
Then to replace all the failcast model's, melting on the table makes a unit unplayable.

the newer armies(thouse added after 6th edition) needs some mutch needed attension to get more hq/unit selections for shure.

but that again that means yet another new codex.

Chamberlain wrote:The campaign book idea. Where a book about Warzone X might come out and two or more armies might get one release each. A combination of redoing existing units and new stuff would be ideal.

This

Ice_can wrote:All the subfactions to be taken off index rules. My sister's of silence arn't feeling very friendly towards custodes right now.
Then to replace all the failcast model's, melting on the table makes a unit unplayable.

And this.

I want FW to start releasing some Imperial Armour campaign books (maybe make Renegades playable again) and I want GW to give World Eaters and Emperor's Children their own books: Khorne Daemonkin mk.2 with Berzerkers the way they are? Oooo, I can't wait!

Refreshed Kits and New Unit choices should be what they do first, with a new release sprinkled in. Some armies really need refreshes (Orks, Eldar) Some are in real need of new units (Necrons, Dark Eldar, Mechanicus). I think these should take priority over anything else.

Well, refreshed kits don't make a whole lot of money; so I don't think we'll see a whole lot of that, except to turn finecast into plastic.

They'll probably go back to thinking up new, and frequently redundant, unit choices and stratagems and releasing them one by one in campaign supplements.

an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

It would be ideal to refresh kits. Orks could use new buggies (and maybe the return of the Looted Tank), a proper warboss model and a few special characters. Eldar Aspect Warriors are still mostly in resin. New Phoenix Lords would be a bad idea either. the models date back from 2nd/early 3rd eddition. Dark Eldars could use new Incubis in plastic and might requite a few new models o fspecial characters. Chaos Space Marines need new kits for their basic Space Marines and a proper one for their Chosen and Havok Space Marines. World Eaters and Noise Marines really need an update too. Abaddon could use a new model too. Mutilators and Obliterators would be well served by a model update. Overall, Chaos Space Marines probably have the most needs in term of new models. There is no models for Aberrant genestealers outside of Deathwatch Overkill. It would be nice for them to have them. It would be easy to release some campaign or board games with those team at the same time models are updated to gather more interest for them and make a quick buck with players from other teams who play regularly against them.

Once these models are updated, my next move would be to flesh out a bit more the newer, smaller factions like the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Harlequin and Ynnari, the Genestealer Cult, produce the World Eater and Emperor's Children Codex and reboot the Sisters of Battle. Than, finally, I would spend some time thinking about new factions like a new xeno race or another Imperial subfaction (Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Adeptus Arbites, Millitarum Tempestus, Sister of Silence, Inquisition, etc.) or Chaos subfaction (Red Corsair, the Fallen, Renegade Legions, Lost and Damned, etc)

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Later codex's having their versions apply to all models including vehicals

9th Edition. Couldn't be worse. Could it?

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

 meleti wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything.

Cadia, for example, has one part of their benefits(the reroll 1s when stationary) getting better when they're issued a specific Order--which is something that the armor can never get.

But your not stuck with half your army getting squat.

I’d like it if they systematically went and updated each army in turn then started to really push the new timeline with strong campaign books with good writing, each campaign book should deal with just one faction and have a Sister book to deal with the other faction, so tau vs necrons would have both a tau AND necron book from each perspective.

Add to that unique force org charts for the campaigns, so using the above concept tau are fighting necrons and suddenly some eldar turn up, the force org chart would have tau/eldar mix but cannot be used for matched play (sorry taudar players).

Basically start really fleshing out the end times.

Ice_can wrote:
But your not stuck with half your army getting squat.

You are if you run all tanks.

The point that you seem to be missing that nobody in their right mind would be opposed to enhancing the various Chapter Tactics/Legion Traits to add something specialized for the vehicles--or of adding a few things which would be excluded(looking at you Alaitoc Flyers).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything.

Cadia, for example, has one part of their benefits(the reroll 1s when stationary) getting better when they're issued a specific Order--which is something that the armor can never get.

This is something I'd like all armies to have, for example: WE infantry get +1A and WE vehicles/monsters gain +1A and +1S for every 3W they lose or something like that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything.

Cadia, for example, has one part of their benefits(the reroll 1s when stationary) getting better when they're issued a specific Order--which is something that the armor can never get.

Cadian regiments have a unique tank order so this is probably not the comparison you're looking for.

 meleti wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything.

Cadia, for example, has one part of their benefits(the reroll 1s when stationary) getting better when they're issued a specific Order--which is something that the armor can never get.

Cadian regiments have a unique tank order so this is probably not the comparison you're looking for.

And...?

Not sure what you think you're accomplishing by pointing out that Cadians get a unique Tank Order. It doesn't change the fact that infantry and vehicles receive two different benefits, spelled out in detail.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
But your not stuck with half your army getting squat.

You are if you run all tanks.

The point that you seem to be missing that nobody in their right mind would be opposed to enhancing the various Chapter Tactics/Legion Traits to add something specialized for the vehicles--or of adding a few things which would be excluded(looking at you Alaitoc Flyers).

Your cadian tanks atleast get half a trait, my marine tanks can't even move and fire without becoming BS4+ so even with fallback and shoot at -1 that razorback is at BS5+ is supper intimidating and obviously a 6+ fnp on a vehical is supper op, oh wait dukari got that.
But -1 to hit eldar is balanced

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything.

Cadia, for example, has one part of their benefits(the reroll 1s when stationary) getting better when they're issued a specific Order--which is something that the armor can never get.

Cadian regiments have a unique tank order so this is probably not the comparison you're looking for.

And...?

Not sure what you think you're accomplishing by pointing out that Cadians get a unique Tank Order. It doesn't change the fact that infantry and vehicles receive two different benefits, spelled out in detail.

Ultramarines: vehicles get no benefits. Not different benefits, no benefits.
Cadians: vehicles reroll 1s from their doctrine, and get an entirely new order to benefit from on top of that.

Conclusion: Cadian tanks don't benefit from their doctrine, just like Ultramarines (?)

9th edition. 8th is in my opinion a poorly designed mess that only holds up because they stripped everything down to the bare bones. As more stuff gets piled on (especially if GW falls back into old habits of pumping out supplement rule sets) the system is going to show its stress points and start to get more unweildy to manage and play. Take the lessons learned from 7th, 8th plus look at some of the other game systems out there and create a proper new edition that is more thought out and has more depth and a solid foundation to build upon.

 meleti wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 meleti wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Emulgator wrote:
an actual GK codex

or in general freshen up the early codices because they clearly hadn´t yet figured out where 8th was going when they did them (chapter tactics only for infantry and dreads comes to mind)

What's wrong with chapter tactics being infantry, bikes and dreads only?

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover.

Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything.

Cadia, for example, has one part of their benefits(the reroll 1s when stationary) getting better when they're issued a specific Order--which is something that the armor can never get.

Cadian regiments have a unique tank order so this is probably not the comparison you're looking for.

And...?

Not sure what you think you're accomplishing by pointing out that Cadians get a unique Tank Order. It doesn't change the fact that infantry and vehicles receive two different benefits, spelled out in detail.

Ultramarines: vehicles get no benefits. Not different benefits, no benefits.
Cadians: vehicles reroll 1s from their doctrine, and get an entirely new order to benefit from on top of that.

Conclusion: Cadian tanks don't benefit from their doctrine, just like Ultramarines (?)

"Not everyone gets all of the effects of their traits applying to everything" being the operative statement that you seemed to have ignored in favor of being defensive over making a ridiculous hypothetical.

You stated that:

Good point. If Razorbacks could fall back and shoot with a -1 penalty, the 40k tournament scene would never recover

Nobody is necessarily saying that Marine vehicles should automatically get the benefits of whatever their Chapter Tactic or Legion Trait would be. My whole point was that much like how Guard have different effects for vehicles and infantry, the same could be done for the Marine books.

It's okay for you to say that you didn't read the statement you tried to argue against.

Marines get none of their benefits applying to vehicles though, not some or all of them. If you're trying to propose new rules for Space Marines instead of trying to justify their existing rules, you didn't convey that very well.

I voted new units.
My reasoning for this is I think my Ad-mech could use a couple niche items, HQs, a Transport of some sort.

But I am well aware that armies I don't play still have a lot of their lines in resin.

 meleti wrote:
Marines get none of their benefits applying to vehicles though, not some or all of them. If you're trying to propose new rules for Space Marines instead of trying to justify their existing rules, you didn't convey that very well.

Honestly, I felt I conveyed it fairly well. It feels more like you're being defensive over the fact that you glossed over something in reading the post.

Campaign books to introduce new scenarios, one or two new kits with each, new stratagems etc.

then the annual Chapter Approved being a round up of the new rules introduced

 fraser1191 wrote:
I voted new units.
My reasoning for this is I think my Ad-mech could use a couple niche items, HQs, a Transport of some sort.

But I am well aware that armies I don't play still have a lot of their lines in resin.

I'd rather have the dang "scout" moves back for the Skitarii than a transport added in, if I'm going to be honest. If we have to get a transport? I'd like it to be a Flyer rather than some kind of ground vehicle. Hell, I'd even be down for some kind of teleporter rig as a Fortification rather than just there being "Look here's a tank!".

There's definitely room for a few HQs though. Skitarii Cohort Commanders top my list of "do wants". Give them a rule where when you perform the Doctrina Imperative Stratagems, you roll a D6 and can get Command Points back for 'em. I'd love for them to release a bunch of profiles for non-Martian characters and guides as to how to convert them up, but that's a pipe dream and way down on my list of things.
An Onager variant with some kind of indirect fire weapon would be ace as well. I've long had a bit of wishlisting for something the size of an Armiger to be added to the AdMech, but the idea I had was that it 'spawned' servo-skulls not unlike the Biovore and its Spore Mines.

If the first yesr of 8th was getting all the codexes the second should probably be getting rid of Finecast models for plastics. Then year 3 we can get back to the status quo of 4 codex updates a year with new units and such.