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If I declare a charge do I count as having charged a unit if I fail to make it within 1"? I know there's a thread on fighting twice in relation to Ynnari stuff, but it didn't appear to cover this specific issue.

Example scenario:
Bezerkers declare a multicharge against Unit A and Unit B, however only manage to make it within 1" of Unit A.
Bezerkers proceed to wipe out Unit A, and consolidate into Unit B.
I would argue that the Bezerkers could not then use their fight twice ability to attack Unit B because although they declared a charge, they didn't actually charge the unit.

Thoughts?

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In a different perspective: were the targets of the charge allowed to declare overwatch against the "charging" unit?

If yes, they have charged.
   
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They cannot use the fight twice ability to target Unit B. The rules specify that a charge fails if it cannot be completed; you only count as having charged a unit if your charge succeeds.

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I'm this example it is not a failed charge.
It is a successful charge. The fact you didn't attack unit B is irrelevant. You still charged them (And allowed them overwatch) so you have the right to attack them for the remainder of the turn.

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Archebius wrote:
They cannot use the fight twice ability to target Unit B. The rules specify that a charge fails if it cannot be completed; you only count as having charged a unit if your charge succeeds.
This is what I thought too, but rereading, it doesn't say anywhere about units counting as charged only if it succeeds so I have to agree with the others.

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The Bezerkers can attack both units A and B as theybdeclared a Charge against them, and successfully made a Charge. That they initially didn’t reach both is irrelevant - they have the right to attack both. There is no “failed charge” in this instance. A successful Charge was made.

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Archebius wrote:
They cannot use the fight twice ability to target Unit B. The rules specify that a charge fails if it cannot be completed; you only count as having charged a unit if your charge succeeds.
This is not true whatsoever. The Berzerkers can fight unit B just fine, because they declared a charge at them.

"Models that charged this turn can only target enemy units that they charged in the previous phase." It doesn't matter the charge "failed", all that matters is they charged them.

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Thanks everyone!

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Archebius wrote:
They cannot use the fight twice ability to target Unit B. The rules specify that a charge fails if it cannot be completed; you only count as having charged a unit if your charge succeeds.
This is not true whatsoever. The Berzerkers can fight unit B just fine, because they declared a charge at them.

"Models that charged this turn can only target enemy units that they charged in the previous phase." It doesn't matter the charge "failed", all that matters is they charged them.
Ah, I found the designer's commentary that clarifies: "Remember though that units that charged can only make close combat attacks against units that they declared the charge against [...]"

My bad!

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