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This question kinda spans P&M but I've kept in to 40k Gen Discussion because I only want to use GW models at the moment, I'm looking into using a C'tan for my Necron's but since tracking down a nightbringer is... difficult and the transcendent C'tan comes with a very expensive tesseract vault so I'm looking into alternate models I can easily get at, now with the style i associate with my Crons I've largely narrowed the field to the larger undead models form AoS specifically 3 of them, the cairn wraith who i worry might be a little on the small size but fits the nightbringer motif quite well, the spirit hosts, again I worry about the size and finally the morghast, most expensive option and I get 2 of them but I'm unsure of the scale, I've got the spare Necron parts to C'tan them up but I am unsure of the base model to use.

Any advise or scale pictures would be appreciated

P.s. Sorry if this belongs in P&M i was unsure where to put the thread...

I don't think any of those really fit as a C'tan.

The Cairn Wraith is way too small, about the same size of a Necron Warrior.

The Spirit Hosts, while around the same size, are a whole lot "lower" than a C'tan, which can lead you to being called out for modelling for advantage, and they don't really fit aesthetic wise.

Morghasts would be your best bet, as they're the right size to fill in for a C'tan, but again they REALLY don't fit the look of the C'tan or the Necrons in general and so will seem like a sore thumb in the middle of your army.

I use Nagash as my Nightbringer, and I just ordered an Eidolon of Mathlann for my Deceiver. They're both significantly larger than the official models, but everyone at my LGS is okay with it. Rule of Cool and all that. I do keep a 40mm base handy in case we need to measure an exact distance.

For the Transcendent you can buy just the C'Tan on eBay from lots of people. They run about $60.

You can basically use any model you want as a C'tan since the shards would just warp their necrodermis to represent whatever they fancy at the time and in the case of Transcendent C'tan who you can fluff as any made up star god you want.

Tesseract vault is gonna make the biggest splash with C'tan powers by far imo

A nightbringer is just over 4" tall, measuring from the base. This includes the scarabs.
Without the scarabs it is just under 4".
The scythe arm is 2" long
The scythe blade is 1" long
The actual body itself, outstretched arm not included, is about 1/2" at the torso, 1" at the robe.
The base is about 40mm

This is based off of the metal nightbringer. I don't have anything finecast, and considering how thin some of the pieces are on a C'tan, I don't think I have the patience to deal with light and flimsy material.

I'm giving inch measurements because the only measuring tool I have on hand is a GW measuring stick, and I don't want to go looking for measuring tape.

Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

I'm not sure why you think that's even close to a reasonable expectation.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

If it would have made financial sense and if they had an available production slot(s) they may have. There's more than when the codex drops as to whether or not a kit transitions from Finecast to plastic.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

I'm not sure why you think that's even close to a reasonable expectation.

How is it not reasonable?
There are units in the codex that people want.
They can't buy them being they are a bitch to get, and because finecast is overpriced rubbish.
If GW released them in hard plastic people would buy them, thus making GW money.
Its within their best interests to make money.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

I'm not sure why you think that's even close to a reasonable expectation.

How is it not reasonable?
There are units in the codex that people want.
They can't buy them being they are a bitch to get, and because finecast is overpriced rubbish.
If GW released them in hard plastic people would buy them, thus making GW money.
Its within their best interests to make money.

Plastic molds are really expensive to cast, and production capacity is limited. Is the market for C'tan big enough to ensure a profit versus whatever else could be produced in the same timeframe? It's tough to say, but GW obviously doesn't think so at this time.

 EnTyme wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

I'm not sure why you think that's even close to a reasonable expectation.

How is it not reasonable?
There are units in the codex that people want.
They can't buy them being they are a bitch to get, and because finecast is overpriced rubbish.
If GW released them in hard plastic people would buy them, thus making GW money.
Its within their best interests to make money.

Plastic molds are really expensive to cast, and production capacity is limited. Is the market for C'tan big enough to ensure a profit versus whatever else could be produced in the same timeframe? It's tough to say, but GW obviously doesn't think so at this time.

I didn't mean just C'tan. I meant everything in finecast. All of our special characters are still in finecast. And those flayed ones need a redesign.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

I'm not sure why you think that's even close to a reasonable expectation.

How is it not reasonable?
There are units in the codex that people want.
They can't buy them being they are a bitch to get, and because finecast is overpriced rubbish.
If GW released them in hard plastic people would buy them, thus making GW money.
Its within their best interests to make money.

Plastic molds are really expensive to cast, and production capacity is limited. Is the market for C'tan big enough to ensure a profit versus whatever else could be produced in the same timeframe? It's tough to say, but GW obviously doesn't think so at this time.

I didn't mean just C'tan. I meant everything in finecast. All of our special characters are still in finecast. And those flayed ones need a redesign.

The number of releases needed to replace THE ENTIRE necron finecast line would be more kits than Death Guard or Nurgle Daemons got. We only got the plastic cryptek because of Forgebane. If Eldar didn't get plastic Aspect Warriors why would Necrons get anything at all let alone EVERYTHING at once?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Spoiler:

 EnTyme wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, this is a widespread problem. Two friends who play Necrons are unable to find any as well.

GW has really been disappointing me these last few months with their production short falls.

You'd think they would release all of the finecast units in hard plastic with the release of the necron codex.
That would be smart though, so of course it didn't happen.

I'm not sure why you think that's even close to a reasonable expectation.

How is it not reasonable?
There are units in the codex that people want.
They can't buy them being they are a bitch to get, and because finecast is overpriced rubbish.
If GW released them in hard plastic people would buy them, thus making GW money.
Its within their best interests to make money.

Plastic molds are really expensive to cast, and production capacity is limited. Is the market for C'tan big enough to ensure a profit versus whatever else could be produced in the same timeframe? It's tough to say, but GW obviously doesn't think so at this time.

I didn't mean just C'tan. I meant everything in finecast. All of our special characters are still in finecast. And those flayed ones need a redesign.

Same principle. I would love to see every finecast model replaced with plastic, not just Necrons. The problem is, it's just not financially viable to do it all at once. Most of our finecast models are limited to one per army, so you're not going to sell that many of each. You have to do that sort of thing a little at a time where you can absorb the loss or subsidize it with other models that will sell well and turn a profit quickly. A Warrior/Flayed One dual kit is a great idea, but how many do you need to sell in order to make up for the loss you're taking on the plastic Imhotek kit that Necron players are only buying one of?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
How is it not reasonable?

You have no idea how GW models are made, do you?

Also, even assuming some sort of magical fairy would gift GW with requisite equipment to make them, GW currently has problems even making what they already have in plastic due to demand. That's why kits constantly go out of stock, they can't produce them fast enough. And they can't even throw more money at the problem because while they are building new factory, the issue is the Nottingham power network. They literally don't have enough electricity to power more machines and until the network is modernized sometime next year, GW is maxed out and won't produce one model over the current runs more, magic or not.