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What I mean, is if you you were to swap Konrad Curze and Vulcan's place would they have come out more or less the same as they did in canon 40k?

I mean, in the broad strokes, most of their situations were the same. Most landed on a planet in or near the dire straits, launched a war to bring themselves towards prosperity, and eventually joined the Imperium. So perhaps switching worlds might not have shaped them as much as we think.

Angron seemed to be a vicious warrior before the butcher's nails, when he killed those Eldar as a baby.

In the case of Curze, he would be plagued by his horrible visions no matter what. And that probably would shape as much as his home planet.

Human personality is shaped by location and surroundings. Don't see reason why primarch would be though that's the problem writing about what essentially aren't humans.

Basically it's up to you to head cannon how much they share with humanity and how much not. The more you think they share mentally the more they are shaped by location they landed at.

The Primarchs homeworlds simply don't make sense if the Emperor didn't use his wibblywobbly psyker powers to somewhat guide them to the planets they were found on to SOME degree, even if it didn't work out perfectly.

Probably a bit of both.

For example when Conrad curse stepped out of his pod he was the only one who grabbed a broken bit of glass to use as a weapon, probably because he had some kind of trait imprinted on him by the emperor.

Angron is the complete opposite, he was moulded by the world he landed on with little choice.

I think most of the primarchs personalities would have come from their homeworld though

The more I think about it, the more I think the scattering of the Primarchs was totally intentional by the Emperor.

First of all there's the argument that they need to grow up in adversity to be molded in to the warrior leaders Emps needed. Perhaps cases like Curze didn't go quite to plan, but Lion growing up in a lethal forest probably helped him become the formidable swordsman and general he was.

Secondly I just don't buy that Chaos managed to steal and scatter 20(21) Primarchs from right under the Emperor's nose, his most important and prized creations. They are not normally shown to be able to do this so easily. They can open rifts to the warp, but Emperor can generally resist those. They can manipulate circumstances Tzeentch style to cause a chain of events in their favour, but it still feels all too easily handwaved whenever it's brought up.

I think Emps fostered the story that Chaos scattered them in order to conceal from his sons that it was his intention to abandon then for decades all along.

There are hints in one of the mid-twenties Horus Heresy books that the Primarchs were deliberately scattered. I think it is Roboute who muses about it being a possibility in Unremembered Empire.

I doubt it will ever be officially confirmed that way though.

If the warmaster, of the ghost gaunt series is to be believed, the primarchs where allready made with all of this in mind. Primarchs wherent equals abd the emperor didnt gave them the same attention. They wherent all as piwerfull, nor where they threated with the same honour.
That means Perturabo, for example, grow bitter because the emperor was intentionally ignoring him.

And Im sure this is why they say to forgot everything we know about the final battle of the emperor vs horus. Im sure the "i cant kill my son" wont exist anymore. They have made the emperor too much of a psychopath for that.

I think that the Primarchs are meant to be read as human in the same way that the Greek or Norwegian gods of. They are human beings writ large with all our strengths and weaknesses exaggerated. The Emperor in MoM comes across as operating on a different level to humanity entirely but I think that the Primarchs are still relatable.

The Primarchs are described as being differentiated before the scattering. I think that they would have had the same strengths and weaknesses but they might have come out differently had circumstances been different. If Angron had landed on a planet without the Nails, he might have turned out like a Samurai. An honourable warrior rather than a berserker. Many Primarchs mirror each other so it is easy to see how they might have turned out had their situations been reversed.

Stux wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I think the scattering of the Primarchs was totally intentional by the Emperor.

First of all there's the argument that they need to grow up in adversity to be molded in to the warrior leaders Emps needed. Perhaps cases like Curze didn't go quite to plan, but Lion growing up in a lethal forest probably helped him become the formidable swordsman and general he was.

Secondly I just don't buy that Chaos managed to steal and scatter 20(21) Primarchs from right under the Emperor's nose, his most important and prized creations. They are not normally shown to be able to do this so easily. They can open rifts to the warp, but Emperor can generally resist those. They can manipulate circumstances Tzeentch style to cause a chain of events in their favour, but it still feels all too easily handwaved whenever it's brought up.

I think Emps fostered the story that Chaos scattered them in order to conceal from his sons that it was his intention to abandon then for decades all along.

There is a pretty well known cannon story on that topic. That is not how it went down.

Nah, a few of the chaos primarchs were shaped by their terrible experiences on planets. Gully/Mortarion were pretty opposite, one loves his father, the other keeps his fathers soul in a tank so he can torture it because he wants his adoptive father's pain to be never infinite.

All of the primarchs were supposed to go to pre determined worlds that would raise them in a certain way, however some worlds were changed, others swapped, Fulgrim was supposed to land in chogoris and kharn to chemos respectively.

Magnus talks about it when having a conversation with jaghatai IIRC.

tneva82 wrote:
Human personality is shaped by location and surroundings. Don't see reason why primarch would be though that's the problem writing about what essentially aren't humans.

Basically it's up to you to head cannon how much they share with humanity and how much not. The more you think they share mentally the more they are shaped by location they landed at.

Your personality is affected and can be changed by your environment, but babies come out of the womb with a pre-programmed personality. Both nature and nurture are affect your personality. Judging from my children I'd actually say that the personality from birth is only really radically changed by significant trauma.