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Hey all,
Just messing around and deciding on what to buy and build next and the new Dark Eldar dex has me excited about the emo elves once again. This is the second list I've been toying with, the first being a mix of Cult/Coven/Kabal. I like the idea of a full on Wych Cult list though so the following is what I came up with.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [52 PL, 1019pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Cult of Strife

Fixed Combat Drug Selections

+ HQ +

Lelith Hesperax [4 PL, 80pts]: Blood Dancer, Penetrating blade, Warlord (Succubus)

Succubus [4 PL, 60pts]: Archite Glaive, Blast Pistol, Grave Lotus (Combat Drug), The Helm of Spite

+ Troops +

Wyches [4 PL, 91pts]: Adrenalight (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 7x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler

Wyches [4 PL, 91pts]: Serpentin (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 7x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler

Wyches [4 PL, 91pts]: Adrenalight (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 7x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler

+ Fast Attack +

Hellions [7 PL, 143pts]: Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
. 9x Hellion

Scourges [5 PL, 128pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Scourges [5 PL, 92pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [49 PL, 978pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Cult of the Red Grief

Prizes from the Dark City (1 Relic)

+ HQ +

Succubus [4 PL, 60pts]: Archite Glaive, Blast Pistol, The Blood Glaive

Succubus [4 PL, 60pts]: Archite Glaive, Blast Pistol, Hypex (Combat Drug)

+ Troops +

Wyches [2 PL, 40pts]: Splintermind (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii blade, Splinter pistol
. 4x Wych

Wyches [2 PL, 40pts]: Splintermind (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii blade, Splinter pistol
. 4x Wych

Wyches [4 PL, 91pts]: Serpentin (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 7x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers [6 PL, 158pts]: 2x Grav-Talon, Painbringer (Combat Drug)
. Arena Champion: Agoniser
. 3x Reaver
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Blaster
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Blaster

Reavers [6 PL, 158pts]: 2x Grav-Talon, Painbringer (Combat Drug)
. Arena Champion: Agoniser
. 3x Reaver
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Blaster
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Blaster

Scourges [8 PL, 140pts]
. 4x Scourge
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Total: [101 PL, 1997pts] ++

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The main weakness is probably anti-tank with the main source being 1) scourges, 2) scattered blast pistols, and 3) shear volume of attacks. Let me know your thoughts.

I would drop the largest squad of scourges and switch out the haywire blasters for shredders. Haywire blasters still seem situational to me. With the remaining points you could bring more Reavers with heat lances to help with anti-tank, and they are faster and tougher than the scourges.

A Wych cult is tough to play.
It can be fast and deadly, but against a shooty it can have its problems.
I'd suggest three Ravagers for anti-tank.

It's good. I'd just drop the second splinter cannon on venoms and the blasters on reavers squads since red grief bikes want to advance and assault turn 1. Maybe bring a big squad with 9 bikes and 2 blasters and a stock unit of 3 bikes. With the spared points try to fit another venom for 1-2 HQs and maximize the wyches squads that go into raiders in order to give them more special weapons. Trying to fit the succubus and lelith into wyches' raiders seems like a waste, I usually bring a couple of HQs in a venom and 1-2 on foot.

Eventually you can replace scourges with flyers, and with 3 of them you can even field a third detachment for an additional CP, the air wing one. They also have the wych cult keyword so you wouldn't ruin the theme of the army.

Thanks for the input so far, very useful.

Here is an updated version


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [52 PL, 1074pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Cult of Strife

Fixed Combat Drug Selections

+ HQ +

Lelith Hesperax [4 PL, 80pts]: Blood Dancer, Penetrating blade, Warlord (Succubus)

Succubus [4 PL, 60pts]: Archite Glaive, Blast Pistol, Grave Lotus (Combat Drug), The Helm of Spite

+ Troops +

Wyches [4 PL, 107pts]: Adrenalight (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 6x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Razorflails
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Razorflails

Wyches [4 PL, 107pts]: Serpentin (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 6x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Hydra gauntlets
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Hydra gauntlets

Wyches [4 PL, 107pts]: Adrenalight (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 6x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Razorflails
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Razorflails

+ Fast Attack +

Hellions [7 PL, 150pts]: Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Stunclaw and Splinter Pistol
. 9x Hellion

Scourges [5 PL, 128pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Scourges [5 PL, 92pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [50 PL, 923pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment Attribute: Cult of the Red Grief

Prizes from the Dark City (1 Relic)

+ HQ +

Succubus [4 PL, 60pts]: Archite Glaive, Blast Pistol, The Blood Glaive

Succubus [4 PL, 60pts]: Archite Glaive, Blast Pistol, Hypex (Combat Drug)

+ Troops +

Wyches [2 PL, 40pts]: Splintermind (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii blade, Splinter pistol
. 4x Wych

Wyches [2 PL, 40pts]: Splintermind (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii blade, Splinter pistol
. 4x Wych

Wyches [4 PL, 107pts]: Serpentin (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 6x Wych
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Shardnet and impaler
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Hydra gauntlets
. Wych with Wych Weapon: Hydra gauntlets

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers [6 PL, 124pts]: 2x Grav-Talon, Painbringer (Combat Drug)
. Arena Champion: Agoniser
. 5x Reaver

Reavers [6 PL, 124pts]: 2x Grav-Talon, Painbringer (Combat Drug)
. Arena Champion: Agoniser
. 5x Reaver

Scourges [5 PL, 92pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 81pts]: Disintegrator cannon, Shock Prow

Venom [4 PL, 65pts]: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom [4 PL, 65pts]: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom [4 PL, 65pts]: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Total: [102 PL, 1997pts] ++

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So, got an extra Venom in there and downgraded to twin rifles rather than cannons. Added 4 more Wyches to fill out the Raider squads. Dropped the few extra guys from the Shredder Scourge squad (I honestly forgot they we're in there). Added more Wych weapons, Hyrdas for the Serpentine drug units and Razorsflails for the Adrenalite units. 2 of the Succubi (Red Grief) will get Hypex and run around with Hellions and Reavers.

I know 3 ravagers are the auto take fire support for DE, I've just never really liked them much. Their fliers I'm not sold on yet. I might pick some up eventually.

This is my 'finesse' army. I have another DE build that is probably more competitive and forgiving, but the Wych Cults are just fun to play and can be devistating in the right hands.
Thanks again for the help so far.

I'm really questioning the validity of buying that many blast pistols as a theory anti-mech tool considering they'll all have pistol targeting restrictions and are on units you're intending to get into assault.

I would think you'd be much better off using the points to make Shredders into Blasters and allow the Wyches themselves to be your anti-infantry tech.

I would also probably argue the Hellions are probably better off swapping with the Shredder Scourge unit to get Red Grief obsession. It's at least a consideration, yeah, you're -10 Str5 swings, but you gain the massive mobility advantage of advancing and charging on a unit built to ping pong around, and that could help them get to places and tie up things your need to not be shooting but that your Wyches can't reach just yet. I dunno, maybe when I see 10 I just presume harassment, it's not like the +1 Attack is ever bad for them.

Conversely, I'd argue you'd be better off having more of your base Wyches with Cult of Strife over Red Grief - +1A is a straight enhancement to Wyches you want killing things, while the advancing and re-rolling is more of a speed and entaglement tool (enhanced by the Blood Glaive creating the best killer Succubus build, natch)

I would advocate probably keeping Red Grief as net wielding tie-up units that are relying on the Succubus to do the heavy lifting, and get more bodies into Strife for more attacks overall.

Thanks for the input, here's some adjustments I made.


I've also made a varient dropping some stuff to get a small Harlequin patrol in, but I'm holding off on finalizing it till the dex officially drops.

I'm generally in agreement about the blast pistols, it's mainly about seeing if I can scrounge up enough blaster bits to build out a second Scourge unit. My model collection isn't heavy on Kabal, so don't have a bunch of them around yet.

T
Your other advise seems sound and I incorporated a bunch into the list.

Hellions in high numbers can make use of the stratagem "Eviscerating fly-by" with devastating effects and with the red grief bonus they become a good unit, especially in a full wych cult army.