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2018/05/08 12:56:54
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Hi all, I have been looking for an answer to the following
So I have a Necron army and in 7th edition there was a rule under the reanimation protocols section that stated it could never be lower than a 4+, this was very well known and stopped it being OP.
But in 8th edition I could not find the same wording restriction in the Codex or the Index.... does that mean that it can get lowered to a 3+ with the Orb of Eternity + the Crypteks Technomancer ability?
Any help would be appreciated thanks
We Bring Death
2018/05/08 13:35:09
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
But in 8th edition I could not find the same wording restriction in the Codex or the Index.... does that mean that it can get lowered to a 3+ with the Orb of Eternity + the Crypteks Technomancer ability?
Yes.
2018/05/08 13:36:28
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Vambroes wrote: Hi all, I have been looking for an answer to the following
So I have a Necron army and in 7th edition there was a rule under the reanimation protocols section that stated it could never be lower than a 4+, this was very well known and stopped it being OP.
But in 8th edition I could not find the same wording restriction in the Codex or the Index.... does that mean that it can get lowered to a 3+ with the Orb of Eternity + the Crypteks Technomancer ability?
Any help would be appreciated thanks
Unless otherwise stated, either though explicit exception (e.g. The cover rule not working on invulnerable saves), Special Snowflake FAQ (e.g. The Index version of The Red Grail), or by the wording of the rule only allowing the modification to apply once (e.g. Multiple Crypteks next to a unit), modifiers are cumulative.
In this instance, yes, the Orb of Eternity and Techromancy modifiers will be cumulative.
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2018/05/08 14:45:16
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Cheeslord wrote: If it can be gotten to 3+, then the stratagem that lets you reroll 1 might actually be useful...
The stratagem is never worth it. Its 2 CP. Even if you roll 18 dice for RP only 3 will be 1s. One of those re-rolls will be a 3.
With no negative modifiers, actually 2 should be 3+
Ok, its two models you have reanimated for 2 CP and 35 pts. for the resurrection orb, plus the orb of eternity. Not worth it, IMHO.
Others mileage might vary. They might like the idea of if they screw the pooch and roll 9 1's that they can spend the 2CP and have good odds of bringing back 6.
2018/05/09 09:07:27
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Vambroes wrote: Hi all, I have been looking for an answer to the following
So I have a Necron army and in 7th edition there was a rule under the reanimation protocols section that stated it could never be lower than a 4+, this was very well known and stopped it being OP.
But in 8th edition I could not find the same wording restriction in the Codex or the Index.... does that mean that it can get lowered to a 3+ with the Orb of Eternity + the Crypteks Technomancer ability?
Any help would be appreciated thanks
Unless otherwise stated, either though explicit exception (e.g. The cover rule not working on invulnerable saves), Special Snowflake FAQ (e.g. The Index version of The Red Grail), or by the wording of the rule only allowing the modification to apply once (e.g. Multiple Crypteks next to a unit), modifiers are cumulative.
In this instance, yes, the Orb of Eternity and Techromancy modifiers will be cumulative.
Excellent, thanks everyone for your replys, great to get some community input on this!
We Bring Death
2018/05/09 12:59:51
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Cheeslord wrote: If it can be gotten to 3+, then the stratagem that lets you reroll 1 might actually be useful...
The stratagem is never worth it. Its 2 CP. Even if you roll 18 dice for RP only 3 will be 1s. One of those re-rolls will be a 3.
With no negative modifiers, actually 2 should be 3+
Ok, its two models you have reanimated for 2 CP and 35 pts. for the resurrection orb, plus the orb of eternity. Not worth it, IMHO.
Others mileage might vary. They might like the idea of if they screw the pooch and roll 9 1's that they can spend the 2CP and have good odds of bringing back 6.
I think it has to be done BEFORE rolling for RP.
So you can't roll 5 1s and THEN pop it, you have to decide beforehand.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2018/05/09 13:57:04
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Cheeslord wrote: If it can be gotten to 3+, then the stratagem that lets you reroll 1 might actually be useful...
The stratagem is never worth it. Its 2 CP. Even if you roll 18 dice for RP only 3 will be 1s. One of those re-rolls will be a 3.
With no negative modifiers, actually 2 should be 3+
Ok, its two models you have reanimated for 2 CP and 35 pts. for the resurrection orb, plus the orb of eternity. Not worth it, IMHO.
Others mileage might vary. They might like the idea of if they screw the pooch and roll 9 1's that they can spend the 2CP and have good odds of bringing back 6.
I think it has to be done BEFORE rolling for RP.
So you can't roll 5 1s and THEN pop it, you have to decide beforehand.
Why? You wouldn't reroll until after you've rolled, so you should be able to decide after making the original roll if you want to pop the stratagem and reroll or not bother.
2018/05/09 14:08:49
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Cheeslord wrote: If it can be gotten to 3+, then the stratagem that lets you reroll 1 might actually be useful...
The stratagem is never worth it. Its 2 CP. Even if you roll 18 dice for RP only 3 will be 1s. One of those re-rolls will be a 3.
With no negative modifiers, actually 2 should be 3+
Ok, its two models you have reanimated for 2 CP and 35 pts. for the resurrection orb, plus the orb of eternity. Not worth it, IMHO.
Others mileage might vary. They might like the idea of if they screw the pooch and roll 9 1's that they can spend the 2CP and have good odds of bringing back 6.
I think it has to be done BEFORE rolling for RP.
So you can't roll 5 1s and THEN pop it, you have to decide beforehand.
Why? You wouldn't reroll until after you've rolled, so you should be able to decide after making the original roll if you want to pop the stratagem and reroll or not bother.
Depends on the wording. For example, Tau Bork'an stratagem that allows rerolling a weapon's d6 attacks has to be declared before the first d6 is rolled per FAQ.
2018/05/09 14:50:49
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Cheeslord wrote: If it can be gotten to 3+, then the stratagem that lets you reroll 1 might actually be useful...
The stratagem is never worth it. Its 2 CP. Even if you roll 18 dice for RP only 3 will be 1s. One of those re-rolls will be a 3.
With no negative modifiers, actually 2 should be 3+
Ok, its two models you have reanimated for 2 CP and 35 pts. for the resurrection orb, plus the orb of eternity. Not worth it, IMHO.
Others mileage might vary. They might like the idea of if they screw the pooch and roll 9 1's that they can spend the 2CP and have good odds of bringing back 6.
I think it has to be done BEFORE rolling for RP.
So you can't roll 5 1s and THEN pop it, you have to decide beforehand.
Why? You wouldn't reroll until after you've rolled, so you should be able to decide after making the original roll if you want to pop the stratagem and reroll or not bother.
It's the Stratagem that makes you do that. I don't have a Crons Codex, but I believe it's worded "Before making Reanimation Protocol rolls, you may use this stratagem to reroll all 1s you roll for it" or something along those lines.
If someone with the codex can either confirm or deny that, that'd be appreciated.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2018/05/09 19:46:15
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
It's the Stratagem that makes you do that. I don't have a Crons Codex, but I believe it's worded "Before making Reanimation Protocol rolls, you may use this stratagem to reroll all 1s you roll for it" or something along those lines.
If someone with the codex can either confirm or deny that, that'd be appreciated.
Yes, you have to use the strat before doing RP rolls for a unit. It may be worth using when deathwatch uses it anti RP strat, which is -1 to RP rolls. Then you can re-roll 1s and 2s with the strat.
2018/05/09 20:01:40
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
It's the Stratagem that makes you do that. I don't have a Crons Codex, but I believe it's worded "Before making Reanimation Protocol rolls, you may use this stratagem to reroll all 1s you roll for it" or something along those lines.
If someone with the codex can either confirm or deny that, that'd be appreciated.
Yes, you have to use the strat before doing RP rolls for a unit. It may be worth using when deathwatch uses it anti RP strat, which is -1 to RP rolls. Then you can re-roll 1s and 2s with the strat.
Until you remember that it's rerolls before modifiers
2018/05/09 20:15:16
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
It's the Stratagem that makes you do that. I don't have a Crons Codex, but I believe it's worded "Before making Reanimation Protocol rolls, you may use this stratagem to reroll all 1s you roll for it" or something along those lines.
If someone with the codex can either confirm or deny that, that'd be appreciated.
Yes, you have to use the strat before doing RP rolls for a unit. It may be worth using when deathwatch uses it anti RP strat, which is -1 to RP rolls. Then you can re-roll 1s and 2s with the strat.
Until you remember that it's rerolls before modifiers
Damn, you are right
2018/05/09 22:24:29
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
Indeed, it does make the stratagem useless. A Ghost Ark giving a second batch of rolls is superior in every respect.
This is tongue in cheek humour wrote:Meanwhile, In a Parallel Universe: <Lengthy diatribe about how Re-rolls before Modifiers is RaW abuse and RaI you should get to do modifiers before Re-rolls because of reasons.>
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2018/05/09 22:45:45
Subject: Necrons 8th Codex Orb of Eternity + Techromancy
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