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With the new rules to battleforged detachments excluding major keywords, doesnt this totally make forts like Bastions obsolete in things like stronghold and planetstrike? You can no longer field a proper battleforged detachment for something like stronghold defender, because it only has Imperium or Chaos as a keyword.

They specifically call out fortification detachments as being exempt from the rule, if I remember correctly.

 ikeulhu wrote:
They specifically call out fortification detachments as being exempt from the rule, if I remember correctly.

And what about the stronghold detachments? Its a corner case I know, but you literally need to run one to play as a defender.

 vaklor4 wrote:
With the new rules to battleforged detachments excluding major keywords, doesnt this totally make forts like Bastions obsolete in things like stronghold and planetstrike? You can no longer field a proper battleforged detachment for something like stronghold defender, because it only has Imperium or Chaos as a keyword.

1) Beta rules do don't use them if you don't want to.

2) Literally says "unless the Detachment in question is a Fortification Network" in the beta rule.

 vaklor4 wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:
They specifically call out fortification detachments as being exempt from the rule, if I remember correctly.

And what about the stronghold detachments? Its a corner case I know, but you literally need to run one to play as a defender.

Isn't stronghold a Narrative Play thing? The beta rule is for matched play.

 vaklor4 wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:
They specifically call out fortification detachments as being exempt from the rule, if I remember correctly.

And what about the stronghold detachments? Its a corner case I know, but you literally need to run one to play as a defender.

Only one detachment has slots for the Fortification battlefield role, and that is the Fortification Network, which as stated is explicitly exempted.

JacksmilesMade wrote:Isn't stronghold a Narrative Play thing? The beta rule is for matched play.

All narrative play options and missions can use the Matched Play rules if you wish. And in any case it's not a problem because Fortifications can only be taken as part of a Fortification Network detachment.

Yeah, those specific detachments aren't mentioned, and I doubt GW thought of them when writing the rule as they are not usually used for matched play games, which is what the rule is intended for. It would be nice if they added some clarification, but anyone wanting to play those types of games along with the Battle Brothers beta rule should really just consider allowing the exemption to include any detachments with fortifications as a major component until they do.

 ikeulhu wrote:
Yeah, those specific detachments aren't mentioned, and I doubt GW thought of them when writing the rule as they are not usually used for matched play games, which is what the rule is intended for. It would be nice if they added some clarification, but anyone wanting to play those types of games along with the Battle Brothers beta rule should really just consider allowing the exemption to include any detachments with fortifications as a major component until they do.

What detachments? Stronghold Assault doesn't have any special detachments, it just uses the Fortification Network Detachment, which is explicitly exempted in the Beta Rule.

From the Bunker Assault mission:

The Defender must include at least one Fortification Network Detachment containing between 1 and 3 Bunkers and/or Fortresses, in any combination.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:
Yeah, those specific detachments aren't mentioned, and I doubt GW thought of them when writing the rule as they are not usually used for matched play games, which is what the rule is intended for. It would be nice if they added some clarification, but anyone wanting to play those types of games along with the Battle Brothers beta rule should really just consider allowing the exemption to include any detachments with fortifications as a major component until they do.

What detachments? Stronghold Assault doesn't have any special detachments, it just uses the Fortification Network Detachment, which is explicitly exempted in the Beta Rule.

From the Bunker Assault mission:

The Defender must include at least one Fortification Network Detachment containing between 1 and 3 Bunkers and/or Fortresses, in any combination.

I currently do not have CA with me, so was unsure if any of the specific detachments within also included fortifications. I thought they might, but could be wrong. Either way, those detachments are for not for matched play, so GW really would not have much of a reason to exempt them in a rule that is intended for matched only.

What makes you think the Fortification Network Detachment is not for Matched Play?

 ikeulhu wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:
Yeah, those specific detachments aren't mentioned, and I doubt GW thought of them when writing the rule as they are not usually used for matched play games, which is what the rule is intended for. It would be nice if they added some clarification, but anyone wanting to play those types of games along with the Battle Brothers beta rule should really just consider allowing the exemption to include any detachments with fortifications as a major component until they do.

What detachments? Stronghold Assault doesn't have any special detachments, it just uses the Fortification Network Detachment, which is explicitly exempted in the Beta Rule.

From the Bunker Assault mission:

The Defender must include at least one Fortification Network Detachment containing between 1 and 3 Bunkers and/or Fortresses, in any combination.

I currently do not have CA with me, so was unsure if any of the specific detachments within also included fortifications. I thought they might, but could be wrong. Either way, those detachments are for not for matched play, so GW really would not have much of a reason to exempt them in a rule that is intended for matched only.

The Fortification Network Detachment is very much for matched play as well as non-Matched Battle-Forged play.

That being said, I don't think there are any published points values for the unique fortifications for that type of mission, but it's already departing from the "normal" rules as it is so if you wanted to use the Matched Play stipulations as well you're basically making it up as you go along anyway.