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Hello!

Looking at getting back in the game, and trying to avoid pitfalls in army choice. I have NO interest in being a super special snowflake and playing the game's worst faction; however, if there is something making up 50% of the meta, I don't want to be part of that problem.

If you were to sit down for a game, casual or tournament, what are you absolutely sick of playing against game after game?

It wasn't like that at first but I guess I played too much against them. So I'd say Death Guard/Nurgle Daemons. Simply because they're just exhausting to play against. Nothing ever dies, and their movement phase is slow as hell due to many models on the table. One of my regular opponents who plays these armies now have 9 Plague Drones, which I believe are ridiculously undercosted. I faced 5 of them once and I can't imagine fighting a unit of 9.

So, Nurgle for me is the worst currently. But I didn't play against every army of course.

Nurgle, I dont like them and they suck the fun out of the game with multi save nonsense just die already, they also have some seriously undercosted units.

Astra Militarum, custodes soup, have a very cool net list bro feel to it now.

I'll reiterate, Death Guard. IMO the most unfair army to play against. Everything has double saves, high toughness and has built in rerolls without having a Lord nearby. Games take forever against DG. It's absolutely zero fun to play against. You're opponent will be pulling his hair out.

3 posts, and already 3 votes for Nurgle. I was all set to avoid them, and then chimeara said my opponent will be pulling their hair out, which sounds kind of fun.

Are Nurgle popular as well or just miserable to fight against?

Generally, I just hate armies that take ages to take their turns; horde movement and charge phases; Guard shooting; Ork shooting and combat; etc.

I don't care if I get plastered across the board or do bugger all damage in my turn as long as the turns are moving fast.

Tau, Space Marines and Eldar. Just so incredibly tired of them. Absolutely everywhere around these parts.

 LostRabbit wrote:
3 posts, and already 3 votes for Nurgle. I was all set to avoid them, and then chimeara said my opponent will be pulling their hair out, which sounds kind of fun.

Are Nurgle popular as well or just miserable to fight against?

Out where I live it's super popular.

 LostRabbit wrote:
3 posts, and already 3 votes for Nurgle. I was all set to avoid them, and then chimeara said my opponent will be pulling their hair out, which sounds kind of fun.

Are Nurgle popular as well or just miserable to fight against?

At my LGS there's two players, who're great people and fun, they don't cheat and are super relaxed. It's just their army that is exhausting. Playing pure AdMech with only two Kastelan Robots it's nearly impossible to have the firepower to deal with this. You basically reduce all your damage output by a third, and that is huge.

 LostRabbit wrote:
Hello!

Looking at getting back in the game, and trying to avoid pitfalls in army choice. I have NO interest in being a super special snowflake and playing the game's worst faction; however, if there is something making up 50% of the meta, I don't want to be part of that problem.

If you were to sit down for a game, casual or tournament, what are you absolutely sick of playing against game after game?

Death Guard/nurgle in general, definitely have to throw my hat in the ring here as well. They're all the fun of playing against a Control deck in magic, stupidly popular because they're the only non-marines GW has released real miniature lines for in freakin' years now and they're still going, and just all around a slog. I'd play against a Tau IG or Admech brainless gunline a dozen times before playing another game against slippity slopperplopper and 500 nurglors or whatever they're freaking called.

 LostRabbit wrote:
3 posts, and already 3 votes for Nurgle. I was all set to avoid them, and then chimeara said my opponent will be pulling their hair out, which sounds kind of fun.

Are Nurgle popular as well or just miserable to fight against?

Death Guard made up half the 8th ed starter kit and was the least popular side but with a few additions and side purchases is probably one of if not the cheapest competitive army you can build, just a bit of luck on your side and they'll stand up to anything and everything. Had four matches against the bloody things in a tournament a few months back and four very different matches almost purely based on their saving throws.

One had terrible luck.
One had terrible luck that turned around a tad too late.
One had great luck that just upped and left him.
One had decent luck then managed to shrug off EVERY SINGLE WOUND FOR A WHOLE DAMN TURN!!!! Then his luck went back to decent.

I've yet to play against IG or much else imperium. So take that into consideration.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Tau, Space Marines and Eldar. Just so incredibly tired of them. Absolutely everywhere around these parts.

Is this Dark Eldar, regular Elder or a mix?

Not surprised to hear about SM, they used to be everywhere.

A little surprised by Tau.

Any army that is mostly one unit.

Unless it's Boyz somesuch "fun" spam.

 chimeara wrote:
I'll reiterate, Death Guard. IMO the most unfair army to play against. Everything has double saves, high toughness and has built in rerolls without having a Lord nearby. Games take forever against DG. It's absolutely zero fun to play against. You're opponent will be pulling his hair out.

To be fair, being hard to kill has always been Nurgle's thing. They have pretty much always had high toughness and some version of Feel No Pain.

Nurgle Daemons, played pure, also have basically zero guns and are slow as hell, and Death Guard are also mostly really slow and short ranged...

I play both Nurgle Daemons and Death Guard, and i'm curious about something you said here.

Not everything in Death Guard has Disgustingly Resilient. If your opponents have been playing it that way they've been cheating you.

Also, which units have built in rerolls with no lord nearby in Death Guard?

If you mean souping Death Guard and Nurgle Daemons together (two different armies) and using Epidemius i can see that, but that would be like claiming SM are overpowered because IG can provide tons of CP and artillery.

Nurgle Daemons.



Altoic Eldar.

Anything with a -1 to hit.

 Ascalam wrote:

 chimeara wrote:
I'll reiterate, Death Guard. IMO the most unfair army to play against. Everything has double saves, high toughness and has built in rerolls without having a Lord nearby. Games take forever against DG. It's absolutely zero fun to play against. You're opponent will be pulling his hair out.

To be fair, being hard to kill has always been Nurgle's thing. They have pretty much always had high toughness and some version of Feel No Pain.

Nurgle Daemons, played pure, also have basically zero guns and are slow as hell, and Death Guard are also mostly really slow and short ranged...

I play both Nurgle Daemons and Death Guard, and i'm curious about something you said here.

Not everything in Death Guard has Disgustingly Resilient. If your opponents have been playing it that way they've been cheating you.

Also, which units have built in rerolls with no lord nearby in Death Guard?

If you mean souping Death Guard and Nurgle Daemons together (two different armies) and using Epidemius i can see that, but that would be like claiming SM are overpowered because IG can provide tons of CP and artillery.

The dudes that play DG only use things with FNP it seems. PBC, DP, Plague Marines, and daemons.

The reroll thing is referring to Plague Weapons.

PBC'S are my bane, being a melee army and all. T8 woth two saves is hard to crack via shooting for me.

 Ascalam wrote:

 chimeara wrote:
I'll reiterate, Death Guard. IMO the most unfair army to play against. Everything has double saves, high toughness and has built in rerolls without having a Lord nearby. Games take forever against DG. It's absolutely zero fun to play against. You're opponent will be pulling his hair out.

To be fair, being hard to kill has always been Nurgle's thing. They have pretty much always had high toughness and some version of Feel No Pain.

Nurgle Daemons, played pure, also have basically zero guns and are slow as hell, and Death Guard are also mostly really slow and short ranged...

I play both Nurgle Daemons and Death Guard, and i'm curious about something you said here.

Not everything in Death Guard has Disgustingly Resilient. If your opponents have been playing it that way they've been cheating you.

Also, which units have built in rerolls with no lord nearby in Death Guard?

If you mean souping Death Guard and Nurgle Daemons together (two different armies) and using Epidemius i can see that, but that would be like claiming SM are overpowered because IG can provide tons of CP and artillery.

Plague weapons get to reroll wound roles usually 1 but some things appear to be any fails.

Bloatdrones, Plague burst crawlers and blight haulers all seem to have some poorly costed rules.
Deathshroud are also pretty nasty if you can't outrun them

On other armies Drukari seem to have got some serious buffs, and cost reductions, but my local group lacks a drukari player to know first hand how nasty they are.

Alaitoc Eldar/Ynnari and any other static gunline.

Alaitoc Eldar.

I'll take a game against Papa Nurgle's reasonably tough space zombies over -3 to hit shenanigans any day.

'You missed, you missed, you missed. You missed again. Well done - you killed a Guardian!.. oh wait, no that plasma gun explodes in your face. You missed...' etc.

 LostRabbit wrote:
Hello!

Looking at getting back in the game, and trying to avoid pitfalls in army choice. I have NO interest in being a super special snowflake and playing the game's worst faction; however, if there is something making up 50% of the meta, I don't want to be part of that problem.

If you were to sit down for a game, casual or tournament, what are you absolutely sick of playing against game after game?

Space Marines/Chaos Space Marines

There are enough Space Marine [or Space Marines with Spikes] players, I'd rather play almost anyone else. IG, Tyranids, and Orks are together second for popularity, and I still feel like 2 of every three games is some form of Space Marines. There's almost no Eldar/Dark Eldar or Necrons around me, so I wouldn't mind seeing more of them, even if Eldar are that strong.

No more Imperial Guard.

Play anything but Guard.

Death Guard and Alaitoc aren't fun to play against. Thankfully the only factions I play against now are Orks, Tau, and Necrons.

If you're looking for an army to play, go for Orks - they never lose. If they are krumped, they'll just come back for another go see?

I don't have a particular army that I'd hate to see. What I do have are some army builds that I HATE with a passion.

- Tau crisis suits and those Gundam things whizzing everywhere with no troops or anything else.
- Flyrants and nothing else. I mean, thematically Nids are supposed to be a swarm, not a couple of giant beasts.
- Eldar construct spam with an army of Psykers that completely outstrip Thousand Sons and other 'supposed' psyker armies
- Anyone who brings what used to be an 'apocalypse game only' toy along to a <1.5K game.
- Lots of those Imperial Guard Wyvvens (I don't know what they're like now but going up againt loads of these and little else was a pain in the behind)

These are all my own irks though, plus I'm living in the past. Some people may like these things

Dang... I've been playing heavy nurgle since 5th edition. I didn't know so many people disliked playing against them so much. It's a bit of an eye opener.


I dislike facing any castle style army. Where everyone hides in the corner around a lord to get a buff and shoots stuff. Alternatively, Tau is pretty bland to play against. Eldar used to be terribly annoying, but they don't seem as bad anymore.

A superheavy tank company.

My two most unfun games of 40k we're against the bs Alaitoc/Ynnari cancer list. At least Nurgle has a weakness to exploit in their low range and mobility. That combo has no weaknesses. High durability due to - to hit, incredible damage output from Dark Reapers that gives zero feths about your minus to hit, crazy mobility from their bikes/wave serpents, and that's before the extra shooting nonsense from Ynnari. Hopefully the points increase on Reaoers and rule of three has made them more reasonable, but those were easily the worst two games of 40k I've ever played.

I don't really want to see chaos daemons, IMHO they are a fantasy army and should belong only to AOS. I also think that all their models are ugly, especially nurgle ones.

I can't stand IK armies either, a 2000 points list with 4 dudes doesn't make any sense and those robots should just be a LoW for imperium, max 1 per army, not an independent faction.

But I'd also say Vanilla marines, too many players have them.

DG. FBD are OP, PBC are OP.