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Pious Palatine





Tacoma, WA, USA

The semantics of this argument are really going off the rails.

Was it possible to field a Haemonculus with Splinter Pistol in the Index? Yes.

So that was an option and you use the Designers Commentary to determine the rules and cost. End of story.
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Default is an option https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/default per the very definition of default.

Designer's Commentary asks "ARE THERE WARGEAR OPTIONS FOR YOUR MODEL THAT ONLY APPEAR IN THE INDEX VERSION OF ITS DATASHEET?"

So you therefore may take the Index Default wargear if the new version of the Datasheet doesn't allow it.
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Pious Palatine





Tacoma, WA, USA

Really? It says “WARGEAR OPTIONS” in all caps. We don’t know if it really means “wargear options”, which encompasses all options available including default, or “Wargear Options”, which would indicate only that section of the Index Datasheet.
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BCB: As doctortom aptly notes, your interpretation of RAW is based on your interpretation of WARGEAR OPTION being Wargear Option and not wargear option. Since you can’t prove that to be true, you can’t rightly claim your interpretation to be the only correct interpretation. No need to attack the messenger just because there is a flaw in your argument.

It is also rather ironic to see you arguing your interpretation is RAI by saying its how the rule is supposed to work.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/05/22 16:33:54


 
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Pious Palatine





Tacoma, WA, USA

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
No one has yet answered what the actual process is for taking what was default wargear in the Index.

Does it replace the default wargear in the codex?

Do you get it in addition to your default wargear from the codex?


Simple. Build the model from the the Index datasheet. Then use the points values and rules as dictated by the Designers Commentary Flowchart.
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Tacoma, WA, USA

You can have all the pre-errata Commissar wargear you like.
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Tacoma, WA, USA

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
 alextroy wrote:

Simple. Build the model from the the Index datasheet. Then use the points values and rules as dictated by the Designers Commentary Flowchart.


But that's not what the Flowchart says at all. It tells you to use the Codex datasheet if one exists (which it does). The Codex Haemonculus comes with a Splinter Pistol and Haemonculus Tools. You can't just pick and choose which bits of the datasheet you'll follow.

I didn't say don't use the Codex Datasheet. I said use the Index Datasheet to pick your wargear then use the rules as noted in the flowchart. That would mean you use the Codex Datasheet for model rules, the Codex weapon stats (unless the weapon is not in the codex), and the Codex points values (unless those are not in the Codex).

Skip the Haemonculus. How do you construct a Ministorum Priest?

1. The Index datasheet allows you to have a Pistol (Swap laspistol for item from the pistol list) and add an extra weapon from the list of choices (such as a Plasma Pistol).
2. The Codex Astra Militarum datasheet allows you to add an autogun and add a chainsword (both exclusive items form the add extra weapon list in the Index).

Can I give my Ministorum Priest a Plasma Pistol, Plasma Rifle, Autogun, and Chainsword? If I just add the Wargear Options from the Index to the Codex, I pick those options that were not even legal under the Index datasheet.

I think not. I think the Flowchart allows you to pick the options you could have had under the Index, not magically expanding to new options that didn't even exist. You use the Index datasheet to build out your options, then use the Codex to play the model.
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Pious Palatine





Tacoma, WA, USA

So it appears we have two issues here:

1. Can a Haemonculus have a Splinter Pistol? Answer is no. Neither the Index nor the Codex allows. OP was confused by bad model weapon description on GW Website.

2. How exactly do you intergrate Index wargear possibilities with Codex datasheet default wargear and Wargear Options.

For question 2, I’m staying with build the model totally from either the Codex or build from the Index then translate to Codex for rules and points as the intention behind the flowchart.

 
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