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Horrors only roll one dice to smite and every time it's used the cast roll goes up by one. This has essentially made them psychically redundant because you'd most likely be casting smite with your 2d6 tzeentch psykers considering all the bonuses some of them get. Has anyone figured out a way to get at least one of your pink horror units to cast smite without taking away from your 2d6 psykers? Maybe casting every other tzeentch power first, doing it once with a unit of 10+ pink horrors for that 5+ roll for D3 mortal wounds before turning to your Kairos/Lord of change relic/warlord buffed psykers who should be able to clear a smite roll of 6,7 or 8 quite easily? Or run a list without many other tzeentch psykers such a battalion with two tzeentch heralds casting tzeentch powers not smite.

What are you thoughts?

Cheers

Don’t even bother with pinks anymore. Their shooting and save has always been the reason to take them, and now the tiny bonus of smite is no longer worth it

Yes, it seems odd that they made exceptions to the smite nerf for thousand sons and grey knights, who needed it less than horrors, but now all the horrors do is fail and put up the difficulty for your other psykers (and you will have other psykers because Tzeentch).

I am hoping they just forgot and might fix it next year...

(people still report success using pinks just for a deepstruck volley of shooting attacks since you can buff them twice to be effectively 3 strength 5* shots each...)

Mark.

* strength 4 +1 to wound, which is generally better than S5...)

It doesn't help pure daemon players, but I played against a TS player this weekend who used a horror/herald detachment as fodder instead of tzangors. He had his horrors smite first and then all the TS casters do their thing.

The extra smites from the horrors definitely did some non-trivial damage to my DG, and he was quite happy with their role in his army.

I have a list with a LoC being my only wizard and a unit of Pink Horrors. There I use the smite often with the Horrors.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Don’t even bother with pinks anymore. Their shooting and save has always been the reason to take them, and now the tiny bonus of smite is no longer worth it

Units of 20 pinks are still quite good IMO. DS for 1cp, show up with their 3-shot bonus on, very solid anti-chaff weapon. Tzdaemons in general are quite uncompetitive these days but souped in with some tsons they can do work.

The big problem is the megachickens. they're absolutely awful for the ~300ish points they cost. Almost entirely outperformed by a tsons daemon prince at like half the points cost.