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Can you use the reroll a dice stratagem on the roll-off to determine who has the first turn?

 Kharneth wrote:
Can you use the reroll a dice stratagem on the roll-off to determine who has the first turn?

Yes as it re-roll ANY die.

Second layer question:
Since a dice cannot be rerolled more than once, save roll-off ties. what happens when you and your opponent tie on the first roll, have to reroll and you get the lower score?
Can you still use the stratagem to re-roll, even though technically you already re-rolled the dice?

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 Galef wrote:
Second layer question:
Since a dice cannot be rerolled more than once, save roll-off ties. what happens when you and your opponent tie on the first roll, have to reroll and you get the lower score?
Can you still use the stratagem to re-roll, even though technically you already re-rolled the dice?

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No, under no circumstances can you ever re-roll a re-roll. You can only ever use that stratagem on an initial roll before any other rolls have been made. But that can be the roll off for first turn.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

 Kharneth wrote:
Can you use the reroll a dice stratagem on the roll-off to determine who has the first turn?

Yes as it re-roll ANY die.

Chapter Approved changed that. You can't use it in Matched Play anymore. "You cannot use the Command Re-roll Stratagem to affect Mission dice rolls."

As for non-matched play, yes you can use it once, but not again since you can't re-roll a re-roll except as part of a roll-off.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Second layer question:
Since a dice cannot be rerolled more than once, save roll-off ties. what happens when you and your opponent tie on the first roll, have to reroll and you get the lower score?
Can you still use the stratagem to re-roll, even though technically you already re-rolled the dice?

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No, under no circumstances can you ever re-roll a re-roll. You can only ever use that stratagem on an initial roll before any other rolls have been made. But that can be the roll off for first turn.

Are you sure? It really depends on how you define a re-roll. When I roll off against my opponent and we roll the same dice, I don't think of it as a re-roll when we roll again. It's just rolling the roll-off again because we rolled the same number. If we rolled the same number again, we'd roll again. We'll keep rolling the roll off until there is not a tie. These are not re-rolls, they are tie-breaker rolls. They are subsequent rolls, not re-rolls.

Either way, what I wanted to know was if I could spend a command point to re-roll my initial result. I'll start doing this now, since nothing is more advantageous as a turn 1 move and rhino smoke.

 Kharneth wrote:

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Second layer question:
Since a dice cannot be rerolled more than once, save roll-off ties. what happens when you and your opponent tie on the first roll, have to reroll and you get the lower score?
Can you still use the stratagem to re-roll, even though technically you already re-rolled the dice?

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No, under no circumstances can you ever re-roll a re-roll. You can only ever use that stratagem on an initial roll before any other rolls have been made. But that can be the roll off for first turn.

Are you sure? It really depends on how you define a re-roll. When I roll off against my opponent and we roll the same dice, I don't think of it as a re-roll when we roll again. It's just rolling the roll-off again because we rolled the same number. If we rolled the same number again, we'd roll again. We'll keep rolling the roll off until there is not a tie. These are not re-rolls, they are tie-breaker rolls. They are subsequent rolls, not re-rolls.

Either way, what I wanted to know was if I could spend a command point to re-roll my initial result. I'll start doing this now, since nothing is more advantageous as a turn 1 move and rhino smoke.

Again, if you're playing Matched Play rules, you can't do it. And if you're playing non-matched play, do you think it's really a good idea to do something so "unfun"? I get the point of non-matched play is "anything goes", but still...

No, you may not use the re-roll stratagem before the game begins (i.e. rolls which take place around the framework of the game - such as rolling off for initiative, rolling to seize, rolling to see if the game ends). It was clarified in Chapter Approved 2017.

 Elbows wrote:
No, you may not use the re-roll stratagem before the game begins (i.e. rolls which take place around the framework of the game - such as rolling off for initiative, rolling to seize, rolling to see if the game ends). It was clarified in Chapter Approved 2017.

Aw :(

And at BaconCatBug, I don't see how it's unfun to want to make that re-roll. Who goes first has been the biggest determining factor in many of my games and I think it only makes sense that, as a player, I'd look where ever I could to get an advantage. I think the fact that I take no guns and unit sizes of 8 or its multiple is enough to negate any argument that I'm trying to win at all cost. I'd certainly like to go first at all cost ;P

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Kharneth wrote:

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Second layer question:
Since a dice cannot be rerolled more than once, save roll-off ties. what happens when you and your opponent tie on the first roll, have to reroll and you get the lower score?
Can you still use the stratagem to re-roll, even though technically you already re-rolled the dice?

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No, under no circumstances can you ever re-roll a re-roll. You can only ever use that stratagem on an initial roll before any other rolls have been made. But that can be the roll off for first turn.

Are you sure? It really depends on how you define a re-roll. When I roll off against my opponent and we roll the same dice, I don't think of it as a re-roll when we roll again. It's just rolling the roll-off again because we rolled the same number. If we rolled the same number again, we'd roll again. We'll keep rolling the roll off until there is not a tie. These are not re-rolls, they are tie-breaker rolls. They are subsequent rolls, not re-rolls.

Either way, what I wanted to know was if I could spend a command point to re-roll my initial result. I'll start doing this now, since nothing is more advantageous as a turn 1 move and rhino smoke.

Again, if you're playing Matched Play rules, you can't do it. And if you're playing non-matched play, do you think it's really a good idea to do something so "unfun"? I get the point of non-matched play is "anything goes", but still...

Totally agree with BCB!

So let me get this clear; you are not allowed to use the re-roll strategem for ANY reason before the battle begins? Or just mission-related rolls?

For instance, can I use a re-roll on my Transcendant C’tan’s ‘Split Personality’ random upgrades?

Doctoralex wrote:
So let me get this clear; you are not allowed to use the re-roll strategem for ANY reason before the battle begins? Or just mission-related rolls?

For instance, can I use a re-roll on my Transcendant C’tan’s ‘Split Personality’ random upgrades?

You’ve answered your own question. That isn’t a Mission roll.

Doctoralex wrote:
So let me get this clear; you are not allowed to use the re-roll strategem for ANY reason before the battle begins? Or just mission-related rolls?

For instance, can I use a re-roll on my Transcendant C’tan’s ‘Split Personality’ random upgrades?

C'tan powers are one of the things that the Limits of Command rule applies to, so you could not use the re-roll stratagem on them.

Is it a mission roll then?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Is it a mission roll then?

Chapter Approved clearly explains what is affected.

Indeed it is. No reviewed it recently enough, and that "mission" name isn't ideal there