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So we know that after the Unification Wars, the Emperor had his old Thunder Warriors killed off. And its been strongly suggested that he planned to do the same to the legions after the Great Crusade. So good people of Dakka, my question to you is:

If he Emperor received the Bobby G treatment, and hopped off the Golden Throne tomorrow, good as new, would he go right back to plotting the demise of the Astartes? Or would he realize they are now a permanent part of the Imperium?


My personal thought is that he would keep them. He's had a little bit of time to hang out and collect his thoughts, and the tasks ahead of him are a great many (not in any particular order):
1. Doing away with the ecclesiarchy. He never wanted worship, and stamping out the imperial cult would be pretty high on his priorities list. This would also have the side effect of cutting down on chaos cults sneaking in en masse (IE, Vraks).
2. A second Crusade in order to fully reunite the Imperium, and stamping out smaller xenos races (Tau, etc.)
3. Destroying the traitor legions and renegade chapters, and trying to stabilize the Great Rift
4. Webway project. I would imagine he would want to go back to working on that, enabling the Imperium to stop relying on the Warp.
5. Wiping out bigger xenos threats, such as the Necrons and Eldar, and culling the Orks down to manageable levels (you can never truly kill off the Ork race)
6. Find a way to defend against the Tyranids. I feel they are a big enough xenos threat to have their own bulletpoint in the list.

These could take millennia to enact. He already had issues with imperial citizens worshiping him when he was still up and kicking the first time, so I imagine that he would want some of the few people who don't venerate him on his side if things turn ugly. And there would simply be no replacement for the Astartes in regards to the Tyranid threat, and that is a massive unknown in regards to the size of the actual hive mind. Not to mention the logistics of hunting down roughly 100 different chapters, and either snuffing them out at once Order 66 style, or one at a time, leaving no survivors to report. I don't imagine Robute taking the kill order very well either, and if anyone could unite the Astartes against annihilation, it would be him.

The problem now is that the Imperium is no longer powerful enough to do all of those things with its current resources. Probably not even with the Emperor leading them. That is unless he has some new secret projects that are 99% complete and just waiting for him to unpack before going on a galactic rampage. The above bullet points would probably be his end goal, and he'd need countless Astartes to perform those tasks. Once his master plan is completed I would imagine only then would he consider a space marine cull.

I see him doing basicly exactly what he does on If the emperor had a text to speech device.

> depower the inquisition, and ecclesiarchy
> tell the custodes to go do stuff
> reconcile with magnus and any primearchs he can find

considering the state of the imperium he cant really afford to old yeller still functioning space marines.

Guess hed ask Narthan Dume, can i improve them.

the emperor is realistic eneugh he'd work with what he had, that said going by his previous record he'd create a new breed of super soldier toacheive his military ends, thios super soldier would be betetr and more powerful then any from befor..

he could call them Primaris Marines

 Desubot wrote:
>reconcile with magnus and any primearchs he can find

Absolutely not happening. Angron, Mortarion, Perturabo, Magnus, and Fulgrim are all daemon princes now and totally lost causes. That ship has well and truly sailed. Even if they weren't daemon princes, the emperor screwed them over so hard they would have no reason to want to come back, especially Magnus and Angron.

I think hed still be playing the long game with the Astartes. The uktimate vision of the emperor doesn't include it behold to transhuman supermen, the Custodians only getting a pass because they are his personal guard, and raised to be far, far more than just living killing machines.

The astartes were and always will be tools for him, a means to and end that because of that ends nature, will require them to be discarded.

Of course that won't happen because in the emperor's vision, there is only the noble bright of the Pax Galactica Hominorum

The emperor coming back now would end very very badly for the imperium, his humanity is gone, guiliman says as much, his ability to show false faces and obscure the truth.

The emperor was a monster but wrapped it up in false faces, now he can’t, I honestly think he would try to make humanity exstict and start again, just without all the niceties that was the imperial truth.

Couldn't the Emperor in theory just stop projecting the Astronomicon and watch humanity fall apart that way if he so chose? I'm not sure how much his warp presence allows him to see the state of the Imperium now.

phillv85 wrote:
Couldn't the Emperor in theory just stop projecting the Astronomicon and watch humanity fall apart that way if he so chose? I'm not sure how much his warp presence allows him to see the state of the Imperium now.

Between the rare visitor who is allowed to commune with him (Lord Inquisitor Rex as an example), and his pep talk with Guiliman, I would imagine he has somewhat of an idea what his empire has descended into.

Well, if the Chaos Gods are able to "see" the state of the galaxy, I don't see why the emperor couldn't.

Yea I assume so, I'm just not sure how it stands with him being nearly dead, so not quite a warp entity. Also how much of his focus goes towards battling back other warp entities and powering the Astronomicon.

Are there any books that give much of an insight into the Emperor after his ascendance to the golden throne?

I've only seen Dark Imperium, where he Guiliman meets with him, and in the Siege of Vraks FW books, where it mentions Rex was allowed to enter the throne room, kneel at the emperors feet and psychically commune with him. There may be other examples though, I'm a bit behind on my BL.

 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
I've only seen Dark Imperium, where he Guiliman meets with him, and in the Siege of Vraks FW books, where it mentions Rex was allowed to enter the throne room, kneel at the emperors feet and psychically commune with him. There may be other examples though, I'm a bit behind on my BL.

Inquisition war, but that’s not canon anymore I don’t think, basically had the inquisitor me having a conversation with an emperor that was wildly schizophrenic in both the figurative sense and literal sense.

Well first thing, he will relise he cannot just end the previous system and work to change it slowly but will take direct command of the Inquisition, not just in his name.

All previous adaptus ability to jockey the highlords is going to change and the empire is now under direct command of the emperor. Guliman and any recovered sons become a new level of command between the high lords and himself.

Guilman is talked with marshaling the impirum for war on a great crusade scale, and the admech commanded to begin advancing the machines of war once more.

The emparor is likely pretty much a merciless donkey-cave after all he faced and scene but if he did choose to take to the stars once more, there is no one who could turely face him. He is now the emapror + all the souls sacrificed and now somewhat a avatar of a living god. remorseless, but insanely powerful

Custodes are the only ones he truely gave any care to, even above the primarchs it seems. His bodyguards are his only true companions.

Custodes now are emiserries and so, also tacking a more direct role.

All considered. Imperial forces are not universe breaking but united behind his name, they are alot more combined and now a cursade with emapror and his golden legion at head, would be very painful thing to face.

 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
So we know that after the Unification Wars, the Emperor had his old Thunder Warriors killed off. And its been strongly suggested that he planned to do the same to the legions after the Great Crusade. So good people of Dakka, my question to you is:

If he Emperor received the Bobby G treatment, and hopped off the Golden Throne tomorrow, good as new, would he go right back to plotting the demise of the Astartes? Or would he realize they are now a permanent part of the Imperium?


My personal thought is that he would keep them. He's had a little bit of time to hang out and collect his thoughts, and the tasks ahead of him are a great many (not in any particular order):
1. Doing away with the ecclesiarchy. He never wanted worship, and stamping out the imperial cult would be pretty high on his priorities list. This would also have the side effect of cutting down on chaos cults sneaking in en masse (IE, Vraks).
2. A second Crusade in order to fully reunite the Imperium, and stamping out smaller xenos races (Tau, etc.)
3. Destroying the traitor legions and renegade chapters, and trying to stabilize the Great Rift
4. Webway project. I would imagine he would want to go back to working on that, enabling the Imperium to stop relying on the Warp.
5. Wiping out bigger xenos threats, such as the Necrons and Eldar, and culling the Orks down to manageable levels (you can never truly kill off the Ork race)
6. Find a way to defend against the Tyranids. I feel they are a big enough xenos threat to have their own bulletpoint in the list.

These could take millennia to enact. He already had issues with imperial citizens worshiping him when he was still up and kicking the first time, so I imagine that he would want some of the few people who don't venerate him on his side if things turn ugly. And there would simply be no replacement for the Astartes in regards to the Tyranid threat, and that is a massive unknown in regards to the size of the actual hive mind. Not to mention the logistics of hunting down roughly 100 different chapters, and either snuffing them out at once Order 66 style, or one at a time, leaving no survivors to report. I don't imagine Robute taking the kill order very well either, and if anyone could unite the Astartes against annihilation, it would be him.

The Emps didn't plan for the eternal war, so no he wouldn't kill the Astartes now or in the future. Its pretty self evident that he wouldn't thunderkill them. He'd probably make more custodes or create better marines than Primaris. The webway is unfixable, there is no longer an entry to it on terra. As for a second crusade, sure but it will be the longest protracted war of attrition ever fought. The Emperor coming back isn't going to magically save humanity, they would be fighting the same war just with a far, far better leader. As for killing off the traitor legions, I highly doubt it as they can always make sanctuary in the eye, going into the eye to fight is 9/10 a suicide mission.