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I played an Alpha legion player at my FLGS the other night and he said he had a rule that let him move his warlord status to another character and randomly gain a new warlord trait. What would happen: I would kill the character designated as his warlord. He would then make another character his warlord and randomly roll a new warlord trait to give to that character. He kept doing this until I had killed off all of his characters. There was no limit as to where or which character became the next warlord it was all at his discretion.

My questions- Where in the rules is this allowed and assuming it is allowed how do you score it for Kingslayer using ITC rules?

Alpha Legion Warlord Trait, CSM Codex Page 165:

"In addition to this Warlord Trait, your
Warlord has one randomly selected Chaos
Space Marine Warlord Trait (see left). If your
Warlord is slain, you can immediately select
another ALPHA LEGION CHARACTER in
your army to take their place and generate a
Warlord Trait for them (including this one).
If the mission you are playing grants victory
points for slaying the enemy Warlord, your
opponent will only achieve that objective if
all of the ALPHA LEGION CHARACTERS in
your army have been slain."

So yes, that's exactly how that works. Alpha Legion are sneaky gits! Easily one of the best Warlord Traits in the game.

That's the Alpha Legion Warlord trait in their codex, I Am Alpharius. It says you only score Slay the Warlord if all Alpha Legion characters are slain, which is really weird RAW and I won't even try to explain how that's supposed to be played.

I recommend the next time your opponent does something you're not sure is legit, politely ask them to show you rule in their codex. As already stated, it's the Alpha Legion Warlord Trait.

meleti wrote:
That's the Alpha Legion Warlord trait in their codex, I Am Alpharius. It says you only score Slay the Warlord if all Alpha Legion characters are slain, which is really weird RAW and I won't even try to explain how that's supposed to be played.

It means you only score Slay The Warlord if all Alpha Legion characters are slain. How is that "weird RaW"?

meleti wrote:
That's the Alpha Legion Warlord trait in their codex, I Am Alpharius. It says you only score Slay the Warlord if all Alpha Legion characters are slain, which is really weird RAW and I won't even try to explain how that's supposed to be played.

Why is it weird? If you kill the Warlord, move the warlord status + warlord trait to another character until you are out of eligible characters - when there are no characters left, you score Kingslayer.

There's certainly some strange RAW. It says that you have a random extra trait for your Warlord, but after he is slain then you get to generate a trait for the next character. This could be a different trait entirely, and you could choose or roll it as you normally have a choice when generating a warlord trait.

So it's possible that the second character to become your warlord would no longer have I am Alpharius. But I am Alpharius says you need to have killed all alpha legion characters to get Slay the Warlord. So if you choose a different trait for the second character, is that still in effect?

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There's certainly some strange RAW. It says that you have a random extra trait for your Warlord, but after he is slain then you get to generate a trait for the next character. This could be a different trait entirely, and you could choose or roll it as you normally have a choice when generating a warlord trait.

So it's possible that the second character to become your warlord would no longer have I am Alpharius. But I am Alpharius says you need to have killed all alpha legion characters to get Slay the Warlord. So if you choose a different trait for the second character, is that still in effect?

It literally says "Including this one", so it would have I am Alpharius.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There's certainly some strange RAW. It says that you have a random extra trait for your Warlord, but after he is slain then you get to generate a trait for the next character. This could be a different trait entirely, and you could choose or roll it as you normally have a choice when generating a warlord trait.

So it's possible that the second character to become your warlord would no longer have I am Alpharius. But I am Alpharius says you need to have killed all alpha legion characters to get Slay the Warlord. So if you choose a different trait for the second character, is that still in effect?

It literally says "Including this one", so it would have I am Alpharius.

The problem is that can be interpreted as "Generate a new trait (and also have this one)", in which case you would actually have 2 traits: 1 new one that you "generate" by choosing or rolling, and then also I am Alpharius, which includes its own random trait. Or it could be read as "You can generate a trait for them, and this trait is one of the options."

The RAI of I am Alpharius passing between characters and them getting a random trait is clear I think, but both RAW interpretations have problems.

Ah, I see, it means you end up with three traits instead of the "intended" two. Interesting.

I see how I missed it. I was looking under the legion trait. As to the scoring question ITC gives points based on the wounds of the warlord. So how many wounds does the warlord have if it goes through more than 1 character? Is it only the first one or the last one or do I add up all the wounds that I've inflicted on all of the warlords?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I see how I missed it. I was looking under the legion trait. As to the scoring question ITC gives points based on the wounds of the warlord. So how many wounds does the warlord have if it goes through more than 1 character? Is it only the first one or the last one or do I add up all the wounds that I've inflicted on all of the warlords?

If you use ITC house rules, you have to ask ITC.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I see how I missed it. I was looking under the legion trait. As to the scoring question ITC gives points based on the wounds of the warlord. So how many wounds does the warlord have if it goes through more than 1 character? Is it only the first one or the last one or do I add up all the wounds that I've inflicted on all of the warlords?

If you use ITC house rules, you have to ask ITC.

Having only the last remaining character count would probably be most in the spirit of it, but yeah you'll need to ask them.

Actually, I just reread their scenerio packet and like so many other people just took someone's word for how it works rather than reading them myself. After reading the rules I see how it all works.

Kingslayer just cares about the character chosen. Slay the warlord happens at the end of the game. The only question is whether you get the bonus point in kingslayer for that model being the warlord when you slay it. I'll write to ITC for an answer to that question.

Thanks for all the help.