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Made in au
Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle




Sydney - Australia

First attempt at scions, it lacks the plasma squad for them but points was its a bit tight. and I wanted at least 1 squad to be expendable for blocking advances or leaving on out of the way objectives.
- Primes move around attacking enemy armour
- Valkyrie and melta gun squad go after the biggest toughest thing.
- Grenade squad is for blocking/suicide/ dropping on loose objectives
- Vollyguns/command/HQS thinking they can bunch up on where ever the enemies infantry is that needs to be pushed back


HQ
Lord Commissar 35pts
- Bolt Pistol
- Power Sword

Scion Prime
- Chainsword
- Command Rod

Troops
10x Scions
- Tempestor w/Chainsword and Bolt Pistol
- Scion w/Vox Caster and Hotshot Lasgun
- 3x Scions w/Meltaguns
- 5x Scions w/ Hotshot lasguns

10x Scions
- Tempestor w/Chainsword and Bolt Pistol
- Scion w/Vox Caster and Hotshot Lasgun
- 3x Scions w/Grenade Launchers
- 5x Scions w/ Hotshot lasguns

10x Scions
- Tempestor w/Chainsword and Bolt Pistol
- Scion w/Vox Caster and Hotshot Lasgun
- 3x Scions w/Hotshot Vollyguns
- 5x Scions w/ Hotshot lasguns

Elites
Scion Command Squad
- Medic w/Hotshot Lasgun
- Standard w/Hotshot lasgun
- Vox Caster w/Hotshot Lasgun
- Scion w/Plasma gun

Flyer
Valkyris
-2x Multiple Missile Pods
- Multilaser

Transports
Tempestus Prime
- 2x Autocannons
- Missile Launchers

Tempestus Prime
- 2x Autocannons
- Missile Launchers


 
   
Made in se
Dakka Veteran



Sweden

If you're set on the Valkyrie then rearrange to fit 2 melta squads to embark.
Otherwise skip the Valkyrie and take plasma command squads instead, plasma just does melta better for scions in my view.

Without looking in to points in detail something like this with the Valk.

HQ
Prime Chainsword/Bolt pistol, Command Rod, Grand Strategist, Kurov's Aquila
Prime Chainsword/Bolt pistol, Command Rod

Troops
1x5 Scions 1x Chainsword/Bolt Pistol 2x Hotshot Lasgun, 2x Volley gun, Vox
1x5 Scions 1x Chainsword/Bolt Pistol 2x Hotshot Lasgun, 2x Volley gun, Vox
1x5 Scions 1x Chainsword/Bolt Pistol 2x Hotshot Lasgun, 2x Volley gun, Vox

Elites
1x4 Scion Command 4x Melta
1x4 Scion Command 4x Melta

Flyer
Valkyrie 2x Multiple Missile Pods, Multilaser

Transports
Prime, Gatling, StormBolter Volleygun
Prime, Gatling, StormBolter Volleygun
Prime, Gatling, StormBolter Volleygun

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2018/07/11 16:12:28


 
   
Made in gb
Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander






London

If you can free up some points somewhere it may be good to think about swapping the Valk for a Punisher Vulture.
   
Made in us
Hardened Veteran Guardsman




Gainesville, VA

Taking the Lord Commissar and/or the Valkyries, kills your regimental doctrine, so you might want to either nix them, or stick them in a separate detachment of some kind.
   
Made in au
Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle




Sydney - Australia

Pg132 i think covers that you can take them without breaking the doctrine. Unless theres a faq ive missed?


 
   
Made in ch
Maddening Mutant Boss of Chaos





 OCaermada wrote:
Pg132 i think covers that you can take them without breaking the doctrine. Unless theres a faq ive missed?

No the problem is that the scion doctrine has a specific line that says: ALL units must be Scions in order to get the stormtrooper bonus. It is not really a regimental doctrine and way more specific.
Auxilia just ignores regimental doctrines, which is the problem. Granted there is a discussion raging in the forum atm somewhere so you might want to go there.
   
Made in us
Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!




Iowa

Not Online!!! wrote:
 OCaermada wrote:
Pg132 i think covers that you can take them without breaking the doctrine. Unless theres a faq ive missed?

No the problem is that the scion doctrine has a specific line that says: ALL units must be Scions in order to get the stormtrooper bonus. It is not really a regimental doctrine and way more specific.
Auxilia just ignores regimental doctrines, which is the problem. Granted there is a discussion raging in the forum atm somewhere so you might want to go there.


Yes, this interaction is something that many people need to send into GW support about, so we may get a clarification in the next FAQ, hopefully.
Or, ask about specific Auxillia units Scions might get. Didn’t Valkyries used to be Scion bread and butter?

If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed. 
   
Made in au
Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle




Sydney - Australia

They did yea, they used to sell an army box with scions and the valk together. Also the start collecting box comes with a commissar.

I understand from what you guys have said above that RAW there's a contention, I just really don't think they intended for them to be excluded though...


 
   
Made in us
Hardened Veteran Guardsman




Gainesville, VA

 OCaermada wrote:
They did yea, they used to sell an army box with scions and the valk together. Also the start collecting box comes with a commissar.

I understand from what you guys have said above that RAW there's a contention, I just really don't think they intended for them to be excluded though...


I believe the Commissar is in the box there due to it being allowed under a previous version of the game; and you can play them together, just not with the doctrine.

Though I agree it should not be that way and you should be allowed him, and still get a doctrine; but alas how I wish it to be is not how it is.

You can still play it the way you have it, without the doctrine; or swap the Commissar for a Prime, and put the Valk in an auxiliary support det.
   
Made in se
Dakka Veteran



Sweden

Everyone i know have ever only read it as non-regiments are allowed for Tempestus while keeping the doctrine.

Otherwise double Scion battalion would not work without ditching the doctrine due to rule of tree.

So yeah people read too much into those statements.
   
Made in ch
Maddening Mutant Boss of Chaos





X078 wrote:
Everyone i know have ever only read it as non-regiments are allowed for Tempestus while keeping the doctrine.

Otherwise double Scion battalion would not work without ditching the doctrine due to rule of tree.

So yeah people read too much into those statements.


The box is still from the last edition. That is not an argument. Also scions were one of the reasons for the rule of three (cough plasma scions cough)
   
Made in se
Dakka Veteran



Sweden

Not Online!!! wrote:
X078 wrote:
Everyone i know have ever only read it as non-regiments are allowed for Tempestus while keeping the doctrine.

Otherwise double Scion battalion would not work without ditching the doctrine due to rule of tree.

So yeah people read too much into those statements.


The box is still from the last edition. That is not an argument. Also scions were one of the reasons for the rule of three (cough plasma scions cough)

No, T'au commanders and Assassins where the main reasons. Scions got changed before that with a rule saying 1 Command squad per Prime, then rule of tree came and further nerfed Scions.
   
 
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