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Saw this on the internet this morning:

https://www.facebook.com/1421702364752210/posts/2117955981793508/

Must be doing something right.

 Primark G wrote:
Saw this on the internet this morning:

https://www.facebook.com/1421702364752210/posts/2117955981793508/

Must be doing something right.

Its amazing what can be done when you get some one in charge that actually knows their target audience.

They are doing more right than wrong at this point for sure. No debate here.

Martel732 wrote:
They are doing more right than wrong at this point for sure. No debate here.

At the end of the day is about this. Not being perfect, but keeping the balance positive for your customers.

But wait just for the posters that will come to say this is because customers with beaten-up wife syndrome or that "Don't know better"

 Galas wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
They are doing more right than wrong at this point for sure. No debate here.

At the end of the day is about this. Not being perfect, but keeping the balance positive for your customers.

But wait just for the posters that will come to say this is because customers with beaten-up wife syndrome or that "Don't know better"

The only people that buy GW i lump into that, are people who keep buying storm cast

The reality is that there is subset of weapons and units making life miserable for the poster boy marines. Players in the know spam these units/weapons, because they generally are good vs a variety of targets. But it's not so bad that it's hurting overall sales, clearly.

Martel732 wrote:
The reality is that there is subset of weapons and units making life miserable for the poster boy marines. Players in the know spam these units/weapons, because they generally are good vs a variety of targets. But it's not so bad that it's hurting overall sales, clearly.

Alternatively, it is that the marines are playably good in most clubs and places, and balance is much closer than it's ever been in objective terms. Remember, something being 10% less effective doesn't mean it's absolute rubbish except in the absolutely most competitive of metas.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The reality is that there is subset of weapons and units making life miserable for the poster boy marines. Players in the know spam these units/weapons, because they generally are good vs a variety of targets. But it's not so bad that it's hurting overall sales, clearly.

Alternatively, it is that the marines are playably good in most clubs and places, and balance is much closer than it's ever been in objective terms. Remember, something being 10% less effective doesn't mean it's absolute rubbish except in the absolutely most competitive of metas.

They are far more than 10% less effective, though. They are pure gak against players who know what they are doing. I think the actual marines themselves are probably worse than they have ever been since 2nd.

Of course Martel will step up to the pulpit to complain about...

Marines. /rollseyes

Wow this has to be a record. It took 6 posts on a topic completely unrelated to SMs for someone to turn it into a SM complain thread


Anyways, GW is doing a good job so far I just wish they would not announce a codex is coming 3-4 months before it actually comes out... I mean yeah thats par for the course in previous editions but I was hoping for something quicker given the release schedule this edition

He wants to derail the thread.

They need to make FW do their job, too. Update the rules properly, or get rid of FW altogether.

 Billagio wrote:
Wow this has to be a record. It took 6 posts on a topic completely unrelated to SMs for someone to turn it into a SM complain thread


Anyways, GW is doing a good job so far I just wish they would not announce a codex is coming 3-4 months before it actually comes out... I mean yeah thats par for the course in previous editions but I was hoping for something quicker given the release schedule this edition

Actually, it's the opposite from before.

Used to be you'd not hear about a 'dex release until a week before it happened, at least from official sources. Anything else was rumor. At the time, people complained because they had no idea what was coming and couldn't make their hobby plans.
Nowadays, you hear about it too far in advance and the hype fades (and the lack of a firm release date kinda kills hobby plans anyways).

GW's best bet would be to have firm release dates announced with every 'dex announcement, but baby steps.

Martel732 wrote:
They need to make FW do their job, too. Update the rules properly, or get rid of FW altogether.

given the news and rumors thread are you not thinking they're taking door number 2 right now?

I think we're seeing the death of the "forgeworld is a separate arm of the expensive miniatures company with imbalanced rules who produce REALLY SUPER DUPER expensive miniatures with EXTRA CRAZY imbalanced rules for the serious collector!" business model starting right now.

I wouldn't miss FW. Not one bit.

Martel732 wrote:
I wouldn't miss FW. Not one bit.

But Martel, just buy 3 of *insert 100+$ hideously overpriced resin model here* and *insert faction with terrible design flaw here* is perfectly balanced and competitive!

Then hope they don't melt in your trunk.

Well, this year alone they got me for a rulebook, 3 indexes, chapter approved, 5 codexes, 4 packs of data cards, a brand new Death Guard and Nurgle Daemon army, the Killteam book, and the usual paint and primer.

Compared to several previous years of the occasional codex and supplement.

this doesn't really seem to be 40k specific.