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Considering putting a Land Raider in an army (yes, I know its overcosted). How well do they hold up in 8th? If I was to say... drop 10 Rubric Marines with Warp Flamers into a Land Raider, do they have a pretty good chance of making it where I want them to go? Is that chance better than just a Rhino?

Thanks

SG

The general consensus is the following:

1) They're expensive (which you've addressed)
2) They can get tied up in close combat easily, so the last thing you want to do is throw them into the enemy lines.
3) They have lascannons and decent firepower, so they're more comfortable hanging back (and thus wasting the cost you're paying for that Transport option).

Rhinos are cheap and disposable and far better suited for what you'd want to do. They are tough enough, but it doesn't stop them being tied up by infantry if they drive too close.

Keep a Land Raider in the back, and use it to reduce drops and to shelter stuff from an Alpha Strike if you're going to use one. Actually driving it forward seems to be a rather terrible idea.

They don't. They haven't been useful in ages.

If you just want it to get your flamer rubrics into position you'd be better off having 2 squads of the rubrics in rhinos for ~100-150 points more. If you want it just because you like the land raider it's probably better finding a different use for it then getting flamers in position.

Drop their cost about 25% and allow them to fall back and still shoot and they might hold up fine in 8E.
Otherwise the only thing they hold up is the dust they collect on the shelf.

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50% more wounds, and Fall back and shoot, and allow them to charge, and disgorge contents into combat after a charge, and then tank and all can fight.

They are pretty bad, just get razorbacks or rhinos.

Razorbacks are cheaper and can do more damage than a land raider.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Razorbacks are cheaper and can do more damage than a land raider.

True but not useful for Chaos armies. The problem with the Landraider for several editions is that it pays full whack for both its guns and its transport capacity but using one impedes the use of the other.

Landraiders are emblematic of the problems that space marines face. They pay a points premium for being all-rounders in a game the rewards specialisation.

Your Rubrics will get much more use if they jump out of the Webway through use of Command Points. Otherwise, as stated, Chaos Land Raiders are pretty bad.

If they didn't sputter and do nothing when so much as touched by a single cultist in cc, then I could imagine taking one. Until then...

That's a huge downside, but my buddy plays a lot of repulsors, and they mostly die to shooting. I'd almost rather have the lascannons and armor. Repulsors are REALLY bad w/o Bobby G.

Gunlines can usually kill or cripple it T1. It might survive to deliver its cargo against other armies, though.

meleti wrote:
Gunlines can usually kill or cripple it T1. It might survive to deliver its cargo against other armies, though.

Well, I like fielding a LR: Deploy it in the centre, move forward in the center with max. speed, and then in turn 2 deliver the unit wherever it is needed.
But as said it might not survive turn 1. It can become a big liability. Target saturation (with more and cheaper units) is probably the better way to go.

Recent full thread here of lament and pain

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/762037.page

 Galef wrote:
Drop their cost about 25% and allow them to fall back and still shoot and they might hold up fine in 8E.
Otherwise the only thing they hold up is the dust they collect on the shelf.

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Mine keeps my box of marines from having an empty corner.
Keeps the dust off of it.


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 grouchoben wrote:
If they didn't sputter and do nothing when so much as touched by a single cultist in cc, then I could imagine taking one. Until then...

Ahhh, the magic of magical rules making.
All realism goes poof and with it my attraction to the game.

Thing is for 285 points, you can have a barebones Storm Eagle (Barebones is still 2x Heavy bolters, Balefire missiles and a vengeance launcher) Transporting 20 (Not 10) troops choices of your choosing

Cheaper than a LR, and still ignoring negative shoot and scoot modifiers for heavy weapons..

Only issue for me is it’s a lot harder to fit a flyer into a detachment if youre relying on the LR to fill out a Heavy slot

I've used them with my Berserkers before. It works wildly mediocre. They either become tarpited ot targeted with all the big guns. I've even used one as a Spartan, guiliman gunline nuked it T1 It all depends on who you are facing. Anything with medium to serious firepower will nuke it, anything else it'll do fine usually.

I'd like to put a different opinion than most on this, i recently ran 2 in a tourney list at 1750 with Black Legion and i can safely say they are very resilient they protect embarked units well because of T8 they really help with some good ranged AT aswell with 4 lascannons. overall i think they are underrated in 8th ed, yes they are expensive but i think they're good fun and can hold well.

That seems to be the thing; LR's are decently tough nuts to crack*, but offensively, they do very little. Coupled with a mediocre transport delivery system (honestly, it's better to pay a couple CP's to deep strike something in than spend over 200 pts. on a metal box), and overall they appear to just come across as "okay, but nothing special". I think for us to see them more often on the table, their offensive power needs a bit of boost.

* honestly, anything in 8E can be easily worn down through application of sufficient firepower, the main defensive benefit is what the enemy has to pull off of from firing on other units to take care of the Land Raider that counts.