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A friend and I are having an argument over the usage of flip belts and second + floor gaps.

He has two buildings that he likes to put close to each other, with a 5 inch game between them. The Flip belt says I ignore terrain penalties, so when I just move to the other building, he said I can't do that because of the jump rule. But even if I have to go down, across and come back up, isn't that all moot since I IGNORE ALL TERRAIN MOVEMENT ISSUES?

Yup. You are correct.

Your friend is right, you can ignore terrain and models (open ground, difficult abd dangerous terrain) and it also allow you to jump down from any height without drawbacks but other rules still apply.

Can't "jump" over gaps larger than 2" ( your example is 5" in this situation) and still must Climb the terrain if it's over 1 inch height(only Fly allow to move over like nothing)

 Lord Perversor wrote:
Your friend is right, you can ignore terrain and models (open ground, difficult abd dangerous terrain) and it also allow you to jump down from any height without drawbacks but other rules still apply.

Can't "jump" over gaps larger than 2" ( your example is 5" in this situation) and still must Climb the terrain if it's over 1 inch height(only Fly allow to move over like nothing)

You ignore it. So your change is 5 inches.

 Lord Perversor wrote:
Your friend is right, you can ignore terrain and models (open ground, difficult abd dangerous terrain) and it also allow you to jump down from any height without drawbacks but other rules still apply.

Can't "jump" over gaps larger than 2" ( your example is 5" in this situation) and still must Climb the terrain if it's over 1 inch height(only Fly allow to move over like nothing)

Terrain doesn't affect me. If there was a piece of terrain 15 feet tall, I still move 8 inches and go to the other side. If that same piece of terrain was 100 feet tall, no change would occur. Climbing doesn't apply to Harlis.

Again wrong the text clearly says.

Flip Belt: This model can move across other models and terrain as if they were not there.

You can ignore the Terrain (or just can move as if the Terrain wouldn't be there, can cross walls containers even throught buildings like a ghost)) but you can't magically move upward 10" inches of vertical distance and ignore that distance (only if jumping down as the rule clearly word such exception) also you can't magically jump over 6-8" of air when the game only allow for 2" inches gaps to be jumped in this way.

The only units who are allowed to move ignoring Vertical heights are either those with FLY keyword or whose special rules specifically point at it like Grapnel Launchers in Reivers.

I hope flip belts get FAQed because RAW they just lead to disagreements and bad vibes, IMHO.

Yeah, with how ridiculous flip belts already are, ALSO getting a 3d6" charge is insane. I'd rather they just add 2" to their charge or something to make them more reliable if that's how important they are. Harlequin armies crap all over most armies in Kill Team and then make it very difficult to win for the rest.

Ah. Was thinking of the grapnel launcher.

drbored wrote:
Yeah, with how ridiculous flip belts already are, ALSO getting a 3d6" charge is insane. I'd rather they just add 2" to their charge or something to make them more reliable if that's how important they are. Harlequin armies crap all over most armies in Kill Team and then make it very difficult to win for the rest.

I strongly disagree. If you take away the 3d6 charge the units are pointless and wouldn't be playable. T3 with 1 wound and a 4++, means they're easy peasy to kill off. And they're quite expensive for what they bring, an average S5 4 attacks, hitting on 3 and 4 depending, wounding on 3 and 4 and sometimes 5. I've played well over two dozen games alone and my win ration with them is only 44%.



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 Lord Perversor wrote:
Again wrong the text clearly says.

Flip Belt: This model can move across other models and terrain as if they were not there.

You can ignore the Terrain (or just can move as if the Terrain wouldn't be there, can cross walls containers even throught buildings like a ghost)) but you can't magically move upward 10" inches of vertical distance and ignore that distance (only if jumping down as the rule clearly word such exception) also you can't magically jump over 6-8" of air when the game only allow for 2" inches gaps to be jumped in this way.

The only units who are allowed to move ignoring Vertical heights are either those with FLY keyword or whose special rules specifically point at it like Grapnel Launchers in Reivers.

See I disagree and apparently I'm not the only one. Though, I'm going to email the rules team about it.

Flip Belts do not grant teleportation. They simply allow you to move from one side of terrain or models to the other as if the intervening object weren't there.

To actually move up or down on terrain, they still must move up or down like everyone else.

So yes, it is silly that a Harlquin can move flip through a piece of impassable terrain a foot high and wide, but they can't jump any further than a grot when it comes to gaps between terrain, but those are the rules.

What the relevant portion of the Flip Belt rule actually says is "This model can move across other models and terrain as if they were not there."

How could the ability to point to a piece of terrain and say "I get to pretend that's not there" -- which is all Flip Belt does -- allow you to jump more than 2"?

[Edit: typo]