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Just got my AT rulebook last night, digesting the rules. Since I already have a good-sized group of 1/100 tanks for Flames of War, thought I’d take a stab at statting up some super-heavies. I’d expect they use the same rules as Banner support, but they also cannot be given the Emergency Repairs, Charge or Shutdown order.

SHADOWSWORD (100 + weapons ?)
Scale: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Speed: 7”
Command: 6+

Damage:
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit

Volcano Cannon
Range: 12”/40” Dice: 1. Str: 8

Hunter Killer Missile
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 5
Traits: One use only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 6

BANEBLADE (100 + weapons?)
Scale: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
Command: 6+

Damage:
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit

Baneblade Cannon
Range: 8”/24”. Dice: 2: Str: 3

Demolisher Cannon
Range: 2”/8”. Dice: 2. Str: 6

Hunter Killer Missile
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 5
Traits: One use only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2, or 4)
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 6

That's an excellent start - well done.

I'm not sure about the Baneblade having an HK Missile, though. I don't have my old Epic stuff handy.

I don't think the old Epic models have it, but you can pay for it on the datasheets.

More vehicles incoming ...

Points haven't been playtested, weapons are based on some very preliminary comparisons to AT vs. Datasheet weapons. Any and all input would be GREATLY appreciated!

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BANEHAMMER Company (100 pts. + weapons)
Size: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
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Damage
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit
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Tremor Cannon
R: 7”/20” Dice: 2 Str: 6
Traits: Concussive, Quake

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BANESWORD Company (100 pts. + weapons)
Size: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
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Damage
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit
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Quake Cannon
R: 16”/48” Dice: 1 Str: 7
Traits: Concussive, Rending

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
DOOMHAMMER Company (100 pts. + weapons)
Size: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
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Damage
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit
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Magma Cannon
R: 7”/20” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: Blast

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
HELLHAMMER Company (100 pts. + weapons)
Size: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
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Damage
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit
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Autocannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 2 Str: 4

Demolisher Cannon
R: 3”/8” Dice: 2 Str: 6

Hellhammer Cannon
R: 4”/12” Dice: 2 Str: 5
Traits: Blast

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
STORMLORD Company (110 pts. + weapons)
Size: 2
Structure: 3
Transport Capacity: 4 stands of troops
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
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Damage
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit
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Vulcan Megabolter
R: 7”/20” Dice: 6 Str: 4
Traits: Rapid

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

STORMSWORD Company (100 pts. + weapons)
Size: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
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Damage
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit
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Stormsword Siege Cannon
R: 4”/12” Dice: 2 Str: 6

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

MANTICORE Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 10”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
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Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Storm Eagle Rockets
R: 12”/40” Dice: 1 Str: 3
Traits: x4 One Use Only, Barrage

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

DEATHSTRIKE Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 4+
WS: 4+
Spd: 10”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
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Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Deathstrike Missile
R: 20”/60” Dice: 3 Str: 18
Traits: One Use Only, Blast

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
LEMAN RUSS Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 8”
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Damage:
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+: Critical Hit
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Battle Cannon
R: 8”/24” Dice: 2 Str: 3

Eradicator Nova Cannon
R: 4”/12” Dice: 2 Str: 1

Exterminator Autocannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 1

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
LEMAN RUSS DEMOLISHER Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 8”
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Damage:
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+: Critical Hit
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Demolisher Cannon
R: 3”/8” Dice: 1 Str: 9

Executioner Plasma Cannon
R: 4”/12” Dice: 1 Str: 8
Traits: Overheat

Multimelta
R: 3”/8” Dice: 1 Str: 5

Plasma Cannon
R: 4”/12” Dice: 1 Str: 6
Traits: Overheat

Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5

Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

WHIRLWIND Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 8”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Castellan Missiles
R: 8”/24” Dice: 1 Str: 1
Traits: Barrage

Vengeance Missiles
R: 8”/24” Dice: 2 Str: 1
Traits: Barrage

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Predator Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 8”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 6
Traits: Barrage

Predator Autocannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 2 Str: 4

Twin Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 2 Str: 6
VINDICATOR Squadron
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Demolisher Cannon
R: 6”/18” Dice: 1 Str: 5

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

HUNTER Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Skyspear Missile Launcher
R: 6”/20” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: Barrage

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
STALKER Squadron (40 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 1
BS: 5+
WS: 5+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
7-10: Direct Hit
11-13: Devastating Hit
14+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Icarus Stormcannon
R: 4”/16” Dice: 3 Str: 3

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LAND RAIDER Squadron (90 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 2
Troop Capacity: 2 stands
BS: 4+
WS: 4+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
8-11: Direct Hit
12-14: Devastating Hit
15+ Critical Hit
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Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Twin Heavy Bolter
R: 4”/12” Dice: 1 Str: 1

Twin Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 2 Str: 6

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
LAND RAIDER CRUSADER Squadron (90 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 2
Troop Capacity: 3 stands of infantry
BS: 4+
WS: 4+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
8-11: Direct Hit
12-14: Devastating Hit
15+ Critical Hit
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Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Hurricane Bolter
R: 4”/12” Dice: 1 Str: 0

Twin Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 2 Str: 6

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LAND RAIDER REDEEMER Squadron (90 pts + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 2
Troop Capacity: 2 stands of Infantry
BS: 4+
WS: 4+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
8-11: Direct Hit
12-14: Devastating Hit
15+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Twin Assault Cannon
R: 2”/8” Dice: 2 Str: 1

Flamestorm Cannon
R: 2” Dice: 1 Str: 3

Multi-Melta
R: 2”/8” Dice: 1 Str: 5

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
LAND RAIDER EXCELSIOR Squadron (90 pts. + weapons)
Size: 1
Structure: 2
Troop Capacity: 2 stands of infantry
BS: 4+
WS: 4+
Spd: 6”
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Damage
8-11: Direct Hit
12-14: Devastating Hit
15+ Critical Hit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter-Killer Missile
R: 5”/16” Dice: 1 Str: 5
Traits: One Use Only

Plasma Gun
R: 4”/12” Dice: 2 Str: 4
Traits: Overheat

Twin Heavy Bolter
R: 4”/12” Dice: 1 Str: 1

Twin Lascannon
R: 5”/16” Dice: 2 Str: 6


SPECIAL RULES:

Overheat: On a natural roll of 1 to hit with this weapon, roll a die. On a 4+, the model loses 1 structure 

 Stormonu wrote:


SHADOWSWORD (100 + weapons ?)
Scale: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Speed: 7”
Command: 6+

Damage:
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit

Volcano Cannon
Range: 12”/40” Dice: 1. Str: 8

Hunter Killer Missile
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 5
Traits: One use only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2 or 4)
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 6

BANEBLADE (100 + weapons?)
Scale: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 3+
Spd: 7”
Command: 6+

Damage:
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit

Baneblade Cannon
Range: 8”/24”. Dice: 2: Str: 3

Demolisher Cannon
Range: 2”/8”. Dice: 2. Str: 6

Hunter Killer Missile
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 5
Traits: One use only

Lascannon Sponson (0, 2, or 4)
Range: 5”/16”. Dice: 1. Str: 6

I think you're underselling the strength of a battlecannon. The RF battlecannon on the knights is, what, Str 5 with 2 dice? So surely the baneblade cannon should be the same stength with 1 dice.
Is the demolisher really as powerful as a lascannon? I'm not sure it should be. I'd make that that 1 dice with Str 4 tbh.

EDIT: I also wonder about the points cost. Without an ion shield, the super-heavies (shouldn't) wont get a save against incoming fire. It's just hit roll then armour. They might be tough but they're going to suffer any serious weapon turned on them, even those weilded by a banner of knights. Maybe drop to 90 (30pts per tank) or even lower?

I think the tanks should have WS 5+ or even 6. Being very close should be a real disadvantage for them in this game

I’d also like to petition for the Shadowsword Volcano Cannon to be given the same stats as the Reaver one. Including Draining.
To support this I’d also like for Super-heavy Detachments to have an additional special rule:
Capacitor power banks: to fire a weapon with the Draining attribute, a Super-Heavy model must remain stationary during its movement phase. Additionally, Super-Heavy Detachments on First Fire orders may not select a Draining weapon to fire.

I also agree with Ecrivain; the Baneblade Cannon is supposed to be an even bigger battle cannon; it should be the equal of the RFBC at least.

I think personally I'd go with something like this:

Shadowsword Company (3-5 tanks) (90+30 per additional tank)
Scale: 2
Structure: 3
BS: 4+
WS: 5+
Speed: 7”
Command: 6+

Special: Capacitor Power Banks
The vehicle may not move and fire any weapons with the 'draining' special rule.

Damage:
9-12: Direct Hit
13-15: Devastating Hit
16+: Critical Hit

Volcano Cannon
Range: 30”/60” Dice: 1. Str: 10
Special: Draining, Blast 3"

Lascannon Sponson (2)
Range: 8”/24”. Dice: 1. Str: 5

On the subject of the sponsons, the Warlord mounts two twin lascannon in the rear arc, which don't have a profile of their own. They're covered by a special rule, aren't they?

I made the Shadowsword’s Volcano cannon deal less as in the 8E datasheets between the Reaver and the Shadowsword, the Shadowsword does less. The progression of 12 STR on the Warlord, 10 on the Reaver, 8 for the Shadowsword seemed “right”. I was actually surprised that the Shadowsword’s Volcano cannon does less damage than a Reaver’s version in the Imperial Armour datafaxes.

Likewise, rather than give the Shadowsword a draining effect, you’ll notice it’s rolling 1 dice - most of the other are getting 2 dice (replicating 2 shots w/ main weapons), so that accounts for the Shadowsword having to take a moment to charge the capacitors and such.

I’ll double-check the Battlecannon, but AT handles the damage wierdly - it looks like you 1/2 8E’s Strength for weapons with a Damage output of 3/D6. Can’t yet figure out any correlation to how they are determining number of dice for the attack.

The Warlord has a special defense system for enemies that get within 2” - I’m guessing that must be the lascannon system being referred to - I’ll go back and look at that.

Finally, remember WS isn’t the tank actually being in melee (and using Adamantium tracks) - The tanks are still using their ranged weapons at this range, just very, very close.

 Stormonu wrote:

The Warlord has a special defense system for enemies that get within 2” - I’m guessing that must be the lascannon system being referred to - I’ll go back and look at that.

Yes, that's what I meant. Bear in mind that that represents two sets of twin-linked lascannons (and a pair of bolt cannons to the front), so dish out more fire than the sponsons on a Shadowsword.

The volcano cannon as an arm weapon only rolls 1 dice. That's not a capacitor issue, that's the way the game works. Only weapons firing multiple shots (like the RFBC) get more than once dice to roll.

I don't think you can do any sort of comparison to 8E for the weapon strength or the number of dice. This is a different game and they clearly do shooting differently. There's no specific formula, it's balancing against the rest of the system as a closed loop. Hence, weapons that fire one shot get 1 dice (volcano cannons, thermal cannons, quake cannons) while weapons that fire multiple shots get multiple dice whether it's through rapid-fire (like a vulcan mega-bolter) or being multi-tube (apocalypse launchers).

To be fair to you though, the volcano cannon as a Str 10 blast 3" weapon on the shadowsword seems a lot now that I think about it. Either they should be much more costly (perhaps 150 for 3 or even 200) or, as you went with, drop to Str 8 no blast.

Right, I see the problem. You’re trying to convert from 8e 40k. That’s not really going to work well, because the damage system is so different and because the various vehicles are (deliberately) balanced to account for the fact that they will mostly be shooting infantry and light vehicles rather than fellow super-heavies and god-engines.

If you must convert, I’d start from 5th/6th/7th edition and the Forge World books from back when they weren’t given two months notice to do a two year job.
Ideally though, I’d forget 28mm even exists as a scale and start with “this is what the Imperial Guard uses when it wants to kill a Titan and a friendly one isn’t available.”

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

The Warlord has a special defense system for enemies that get within 2” - I’m guessing that must be the lascannon system being referred to - I’ll go back and look at that.

Yes, that's what I meant. Bear in mind that that represents two sets of twin-linked lascannons (and a pair of bolt cannons to the front), so dish out more fire than the sponsons on a Shadowsword.

Okay, the Arden-Defensor system is 8” range, D3 auto hits @ STR 5. I think if anything, the sponsons should probably be STR 5, not 6.

Also, looking more at the Baneblade cannon I *think* it should be Dice:4, STR 5. Not too sure on the dice, though.


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Ecrivain wrote:
The volcano cannon as an arm weapon only rolls 1 dice. That's not a capacitor issue, that's the way the game works. Only weapons firing multiple shots (like the RFBC) get more than once dice to roll.

I don't think you can do any sort of comparison to 8E for the weapon strength or the number of dice. This is a different game and they clearly do shooting differently. There's no specific formula, it's balancing against the rest of the system as a closed loop. Hence, weapons that fire one shot get 1 dice (volcano cannons, thermal cannons, quake cannons) while weapons that fire multiple shots get multiple dice whether it's through rapid-fire (like a vulcan mega-bolter) or being multi-tube (apocalypse launchers).

Ah, that makes a lot of sense, don’t know why that didn’t click.

Still, gotta start the comparison from somewhere - may end up with completely different values from 8E after some play testing, but needed a starting point

Thanks all, really taking these comments to heart and hoping some fun times will result from it.

I'd be tempted to model the lascannon sponsons as a single shot, 360degree arc, Str 5, hitting on ... whatever you feel is appropriate. Longer range than 8", though.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I'd be tempted to model the lascannon sponsons as a single shot, 360degree arc, Str 5, hitting on ... whatever you feel is appropriate. Longer range than 8", though.

Yeah, the 8" range is definitely based on the fact the Arden-Defensor system excelling at Overwatch (which you can't declare charges over 12" in 40K, and it looks like they take the Max Range, subtract 4", then divide it by 3 - which incidentally means all my ranges are a bit too far).