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So perusing my lovely codex looking for a cheap objective camper to hold down the fort alongside my 8x Havocs and I keep coming back to cultists. 88 points for 20 guys with 2 stubbers just seems... right. 88 points and some CP for 40 guys really. Tide of Traitors seems just so good for a unit that is going to sit in the deployment zone and hold/contest objectives!

The only trouble is, I'm a World Eater trying to run autogun cultists with... A box of Cadians.

1: Isn't this ridiculous? However Khorne is also god of martial skill and honour. Armies are built upon these two concepts, so I think a WE warband that has a sort of Tyrants Legion thing going on is possible and even probable!

2: Is this even viable tactics-wise? 20 guys in 6+ aren't going to last long in cover. However! However... I think I'm bringing enough targets that a few measly autogun toting losers might seem irrelevant until late game when the opponent realizes I have a replaceable 20 man unit holding an objective.

3: How can I be more Khorney? Scrape aquilas, cut lasguns to autoguns, do some head swaps. However... What are some extra little bits I can do to really make a unique unit? Should I just buy 10 more Cadians or do like a Command Squad and an easy build kit?

8: Khornadians... Would anyone mind if I... painted them red and white?

1: Khorne likes shootin folk too. Don't let crazy chainaxe zerkers take all the skulls.

2: Cultists are good (arguably mandatory) for CSM. If all they're going to do is hangback, autoguns and stubbers will do fine for you. Yes, they will die/runaway when something decides to actually shoot them, but if the rest of your army is in the enemy's face, they'll have some turns of just hanging around not being targets.
Tide of traitors is also good for teleporting around the battlefield when your opponent doesnt expect it. Even if the squad is fully healthy, it can be gamechanging to pull them off and have them come in from another table edge to cap another objective, so keep that in mind.

3: Scraping the auillia off the helmet goes a surprisingly long way to change the shape of the head, so that's an easy goto. If you're going to splice in another kit, both the Skittarii and GSC infantry kits are treasure troves of cultisty bits you could sprinkle throughout, or you might want to check out some of the Necromunda kits (Cawdor in particular)
For headswaps, WFB Marauders or whatever the new Khorne maruaders are called have really good horned vikingy thing going that fit well on cadian bodies.

8: As a fellow Cannuck, I give you written permission.

Vive la Syrup!


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I was actually thinking the older marauder heads might do for me, I snagged all the non hipster heads from my Orlock sprue. The goggled ones look great, but maybe a box of GSC Cadians might provide more contrast through the squad? Certainly easier than going the eBay route. Seems like eBay is really expensive these days.

Look up the Blood Pact.

Job done.

Lasguns and autoguns have the same statline. Only the pickiest git would care if you leave them with lasguns.

 darkcloak wrote:
Vive la Syrup!


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I was actually thinking the older marauder heads might do for me, I snagged all the non hipster heads from my Orlock sprue. The goggled ones look great, but maybe a box of GSC Cadians might provide more contrast through the squad? Certainly easier than going the eBay route. Seems like eBay is really expensive these days.

As a R&H player that had to repurpuse and kitbash cadians i can reccomend you the following:
Mix in Cultists: You play Chaos, arguably the one legion with higher atrition counts then any one else, not everyone is going to be top equipped and trained.

GSC: Neophytes have shotguns or autoguns (granted the shotguns are more something along the line for R&H but the autoguns look sweet and have the right proportion to put on a cadian. Bonus points for Mutations). Can get iffy because of fixed CSG symbols, but nothing a bit of work can't remove.
GSC Cadians also are interesting since you get a HWT with them and their heads look also good, aswell as carrying blades and nades which are easily modified to fit in. (if you can get a hold of Heavy stubbers fom AM vehicles, you can use them for some cool heavy stubbers if you ever want to soup with R&H you also get cheaper with that strategy.)

If you can get your hands on marauder cavalery heads, get them, they look better on Cadians then regular marauder heads.
Of course catachan units are also a good jumping of point, albeit more for the staby cultists.

It is not necessary to completely remove the Aquillas, scratch them , defile them, but most importantly paint khorne and chaos symbols over it when you are done.

Oh, and a side note in regards to bloodpact: The bloodpact wears facial masks, which can be extremely tricky to modell right on them.

Maybe the colony rebels from pig iron miniatures could work if you dont want to use cadians.

I mix Cadians with Empire Flagellants and Free Company to make my cultists - they come across as guardsmen and imperial citizens who have thrown in their lot with chaos and taken up arms. Either they're deserting guardsmen, or they've looted some armour/weapons from PDF soldiers they've killed when their cult has been exposed. A lot of the "human sized" kits combine quite well together. I think I've borrowed a few marauder heads for my mob too. There's a lot of stuff in my bitz box of forgotten origins.

You don't have to be too neat when scratching off the aquilas either, a bit of scratching and then appropriate painting would make it look like the cultist himself has looted the helmet from a fallen guardsmen and scraped the hateful symbol off himself.

I wouldn't worry about them holding las/autoguns and not being close combat equipped. You could explain it away as a recently formed cult on the planet that your Khorne marines have landed on, and they've come out to watch the slaughter, whilst still retaining enough presence of mind to not just go rushing in to die. The faithful followers watching their gods in action, kind of deal.

Blood Pact would be perfect if you wanted a regimented, militaristic look rather than cultist rabble.

If you want to go that way, both MaxMini and Mad Robot make great totally-not-Blood Pact heads. Mad Robot in particular makes a couple of different styles (labeled 'Crimson Pak') so you can choose the exact type you like.

Your backstory, if you have one, could assist with this.

My guys are a renegade PDF who haven't yet worked out that they're Heretics too, so I just build the Cadians as-is and put a knife-blade through the aquilas.

I made a few moulds of some Khorne icons and a skull from the Zerker kit, just got my prototype on a Cadian, so now he is a Khornadian...

I'll upload a blurry pic!

I have more greenstuff setting in the casts now.

Think I'm gonna do my own version of Blood Pact, sans facemasks. Wermacht spikes on helmets with Khorne symbols aplenty! Maybe the squad leader can has a facemasks, I can probably sculpt a mask. I did sculpt a demon face on a plague flamer not too long ago so I don't see why a facemask would be any harder. Skulls are deceptively easy to sculpt too, so I don't see why I couldn't apply the same idea to a facemask.

Bam, blurry proof picture.

Yes I am using a grenade launcher as a stubber. Yes that is an Orlock head and yes I do have a spare stubber, but my Heavy in training is going to buy it when he levels up enough. Assuming the Slag Wenches don't ice him first...


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I feel like he needs a sling for that stubber...

I 100% expected this thread to be about Khornate Canadians

And some fluff?

Well to be honest I really hadn't gotten very far past 'paint them red and kill stuff' when I decided to go all in for Khorne. I just knew I wanted to relive the glory days of when I was a fresh faced new zerker!

My old Khorne army was based around the battle of Skalathrax so I think I'll avoid any overt references to that and perhaps go the 'lone champion's route. I imagine that a lot of WE warbands are like this, a motley collection of fighters following the strongest of them in a crusade for blood. So what makes my dudes different that they have a sort of standing army? Well perhaps the leader just recognizes a prime resource for skulls? Perhaps the militia isn't worthy of entering the sacred realm of the close combat phase? Or perhaps this warlord seeks to carve out an empire? Or maybe even this warband uses its cultists as a breeding ground for future CSM inductees?

The fluff aspect of it is something I really haven't had a serious crack at yet. I really like to get that part right, have it believable ya know?


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HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I 100% expected this thread to be about Khornate Canadians

Well... It kind of is...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOO- oh, sorry, I didn't mean to shout.

- Khornate Canadians.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
BLOOD FOR THE BLOO- oh, sorry, I didn't mean to shout.

- Khornate Canadians.

I'd say have an exalt, but I don't wanna seem too proud.

Edited for punctuation.

Oh snap!

I know exactly how to pull off this Khornadians thing!

I'm going to go full Tyrant Legion and use heavily converted IG as counts-as CSM units alongside my Marines and Zerkers!

I've always loved Sentinels, kinda don't like Chaos Bikers. So I'll run 3 Sentinels as a bike squad! Leman Russes can stand in for Predators and Vindicators, but I think I'll still use Rhinos for all my transports. Always hated the Helturkey. Say, what's that slick IG flyer called? Mwuhahahaha!

Khorne Lord of Skulls? How about a Baneblade? Booyah! No axe you say? Oh baby, I can make a Baneblade look like it's capable of fething your taco in CC!

And what is this chaotic abortion of an army gonna be called? What else?

The Khornadians! And no, I'm not sorry... Insert evil laughter here too.

By the way this also gives me the perfect reason to break the suggested rule of 3. If I were to go the cultist blob route I would use Supreme Command detachments to load up on Exalted Champions and 'attach' them to the Cultist blobs for that real Badab feel.

Thoughts? Opinions? Hard flung tomatoes?!

How many times do they have to apologise for each skull they take? Or are the more the fictional Deadpool/Wolverine kind of Canadian?

HOCKEY FOR THE HOCKEY GOD(S)!

 IronBrand wrote:
How many times do they have to apologise for each skull they take? Or are the more the fictional Deadpool/Wolverine kind of Canadian?

I think if we just inscribe 'Sorry!' on each chainaxe and bullet that should suffice. I mean, wouldn't want to upset anyone with too many apologies! We are here to politely take skulls after all.

Conversely they could very well be a mix of sexually ambiguous ninjas and gruff plaid wearing lumberjacks.

Either way. That's how we roll up here. On sleds.

 darkcloak wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:
How many times do they have to apologise for each skull they take? Or are the more the fictional Deadpool/Wolverine kind of Canadian?

I think if we just inscribe 'Sorry!' on each chainaxe and bullet that should suffice. I mean, wouldn't want to upset anyone with too many apologies! We are here to politely take skulls after all.

Conversely they could very well be a mix of sexually ambiguous ninjas and gruff plaid wearing lumberjacks.

Either way. That's how we roll up here. On sleds.

Good thing cultists don't get grenades. Inscribing frag grenades so each piece of shrapnel came with enough of an apology without overdoing it on any pieces would be a nightmare.

Welp...

Let's edit that into coherencey........

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I got GSC Cadians at 20% off. So there is my cultist blob. Still not sure what to do with the HWT, maybe just up the squad count and use it as filler? Just allocate wounds to the HWT first so it isn't on the board for long and then proceed as normal. I figure it's best to not use it as 2x Heavy Stubber dudes because if I want to split fire I am stuck with one measuring point. So unit filler it is then. Only two dudes on the base, but it's footprint is about 5 models worth.

I have 11 dudes built and the HWT too. I scrubbed my bitz box, more like sprue pile, for some stuff and found those skirt/pack things that come with CSMs, plus some holsters for the Champion. So they've got a sort of Blood Pact robe thing going on now. A few spikes here and there, some skulls and chains and Khorne symbols from my Zerker leftovers. I made my Cultist Champion with pistol and chainsword to help single him out. Also gave him a paper banner as well as the Eldar head. Looks pretty mean!

Hmm, what else. Oh yeah, I cut the lasguns to look like autoguns and swapped the battery packs for CSM Bolter clips. My casting didn't go so well, I'll have to try it with less putty and remove it from the mould and apply it sooner so I can work it around a bit.

Oh yeah and speak of greenstuff, capes! I saw a brilliant tut on how to make them and I wanna do that for my duders.

Anyways, that's it. Khornadians. Probably end up calling the army the Red Legion or something like that. I dunno, something like that. Post Cicatrix Khorne Legion? I dunno, go to bed DC.

Well, half the squad is assembled. Blurry pics!

First up is a group shot. Then we have the champion/leader guy, armed with CCW & Pistol to help differentiate, plus an old school paper banner! Can't really make out the Eldar head but it looks legit.

Then we have vox operator Bob. He looks very cool. And then we have a random trooper to show the CSM robe pack and the custom autogun.


I know, blurry pics. gakky cellphone, can't be helped. But hey, proof of concept right?

My simple solution was Catachan heads on Cadian bodies.

If you go to Wargame Exclive's website the have Blood Pact infantry.

Called 'Blood Wibble' or some such.

They look good but the price and those shoulders make me go - nah.

Anvil, trenchfighter range, deathmask Stahlhelm

I think I've got a good theme going on here now but thanks for the suggestions!

I ended up having just enough chainaxes to build a squad of 8 Zerkers, champ with a tankpuncher of course! So all the chainy bits from the Zerker chainswords got thrown into the Khornadian bitz pile.

I have nine more Khornadians to build and plenty enough bitz to make them look legit. I plan to give them skull backpacks too. I got a good casting of a skull that should fit right over top of that backpack nubbin, so that is on the to do list. Also, capes. Ragged torn up capes, and some knife work to make their uniforms a little more of the same.

Also, probably end up making a skull pile on the HWT base to bring it in line with the theme. The crewmen look legit traitorous, but the gun is still kinda meh.