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Nobody would buy a fluff-only codex. I like hardcopy codexes, and GW's current strategy for balancing the game by only changing the points not the datasheets means that a hardcopy codex + BattleScribe works well for me.

 Overread wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
Nobody would buy a fluff-only codex.

Except they do - Black Library sells loads of books and all they are is stories and lore. Heck for the right factions I'd happily buy more detailed lore books than what codex/battletome give.

A codex with the rules removed is not the same as a Black Library novel though, it's a page or two of description on each unit in a faction.

Stux wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

A codex with the rules removed is not the same as a Black Library novel though, it's a page or two of description on each unit in a faction.

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Have you actually looked in a codex? There's a lot more than that.

Well in Codex: Space Marines (which I have in front of me now) if you ignore the 78 pages of rules, there's 109 pages of short 1 or 2 page sections introducing SM and describing the chapters and units, followed by 20 pages of photos of painted miniatures. Without the rules this codex would be very similar each edition and I just can't see it selling well.

I really like the combination of rules and description and clearly a lot of other people do too or GW wouldn't continue with the format. My current 8th edition codex is the same format as the Compendium I used for my SM army back in RT 25 years ago!

 Nazrak wrote:
I totally understand there’s a place for the codices, for new players and completists, but I’d much prefer something more streamlined and conducive to use during games.

That's why I use my codex when deciding on units to field and buy but use BattleScribe (with the codex open on the stratagems page) during a game.

Stux wrote:
I actually prefer the data cards to the codex for Strats. That way I can put away ones that will never come up in the game, making it easier to remember the ones I can use haha

Don't give me a reason to 'need' the cards!

Dandelion wrote:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/AoS-App-2-Apple-2018

I've not played AOS so I didn't know that existed.

What would the WH40K equivalent be (in terms of rules)? The Battle Primer and all the datasheets from all the codexes? What about the faction-specific rules and stratagems, would they be in there too?

Stux wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/AoS-App-2-Apple-2018

I've not played AOS so I didn't know that existed.

What would the WH40K equivalent be (in terms of rules)? The Battle Primer and all the datasheets from all the codexes? What about the faction-specific rules and stratagems, would they be in there too?

It would just be the Datasheets. You'd need to buy the book for Strats, relics, psychic powers, and warlord traits.

Right - so not much different to buying a the latest miniatures that come with datasheets and downloading the Battle Primer, just in an app. GW won't stop selling rules all the time their customers will pay for them. Although I'm happy to pay for rules, if it wasn't for BattleScribe allowing me to manage the points adjustments I think I'd be less happy. If GW do produce an app for WH40K that's what needs to be in it, and I think BattleScribe has done GW a huge favour in the meantime.

Well as you quoted me I feel the need to reply...

BrianDavion wrote:
the fact that black library is as sucessful as it is suggests that "YES VIRGINA THERE IS A DEMAND FOR FLUFF"

I didn't say there wasn't a demand for fluff did I? I said I didn't think there would be demand for a fluff-only codex.

BrianDavion wrote:
In fact I'd argue that, despite their vocalness here, the "I don't care about the fluff I just play the game" mind set is proably in a minority among 40k fans.

I'm not part of that mindset either am I? I said I love the fluff plus rules format and always have.

 Brother Castor wrote:

Stux wrote:
I actually prefer the data cards to the codex for Strats. That way I can put away ones that will never come up in the game, making it easier to remember the ones I can use haha

Don't give me a reason to 'need' the cards!

Okay, so I bought the cards

Yeah sorry, my fault for posting on it again