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I have looked at the new AT and I love how people have embraced it!!! Great for the community and great for GW. Though a spender on GW products (prob 8k+ a year at least, depends on releases) I don't find AT enthralling so will pass (Necromunda is my thing). However, Battle Fleet Gothic.... Oh boy if they release that I will be all in

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I have looked at the new AT and I love how people have embraced it!!! Great for the community and great for GW. Though a spender on GW products (prob 8k+ a year at least, depends on releases) I don't find AT enthralling so will pass (Necromunda is my thing). However, Battle Fleet Gothic.... Oh boy if they release that I will be all in

The better Specialist games does in sales the more likely they will bring such things back. The only question is if it is 40k era or horus heresy.

Why would they do HH again? Simple, less products to be created to start meaning cheaper investment to test the waters.

Battle Fleet Heresy is on their roadmap - how well AT sells will determine how quickly it arrives (and how much of it is plastic).

I love BFG. I mostly played against Eldar (with Imperial Fleet). Its nice to break those paper armour ships with well timed broadside volley. Its a bit of shame that rumors insist on BFHH, but still, I'm probably going to give it a try

A heresy setting for a new BFG simply makes sense. much like AT.

doesn't mean it'll stay there though,

BrianDavion wrote:
A heresy setting for a new BFG simply makes sense. much like AT.

doesn't mean it'll stay there though,

Well they have a lot to expand from there. We can EASILY see chaos ships, eldar and orks but no tau or necrons

I'm scared of a BFG release.
40k - cocked up.
Fantasy - cocked up.
Kill Team - cocked up.
Necromunda - cocked up.
Titanicus - cocked up.

BFG...they will cock it up.

 Lysenis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
A heresy setting for a new BFG simply makes sense. much like AT.

doesn't mean it'll stay there though,

Well they have a lot to expand from there. We can EASILY see chaos ships, eldar and orks but no tau or necrons

game won't be set in the Heresy era forever too. They'll do what AT did (and I mean the original AT) start off in the heresy era and expand to other eras once the base game is out and they bring in new races. that's the plan for AT2018, and will be the new plan for BF:H.

ValentineGames wrote:
I'm scared of a BFG release.
Titanicus - cocked up.

BFG...they will cock it up.

Got proof of this? Other than some anecdotal proof that your flgs has some boxes on the shelf? My flgs has 6 players and thats a small store.


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BrianDavion wrote:

 Lysenis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
A heresy setting for a new BFG simply makes sense. much like AT.

doesn't mean it'll stay there though,

Well they have a lot to expand from there. We can EASILY see chaos ships, eldar and orks but no tau or necrons

game won't be set in the Heresy era forever too. They'll do what AT did (and I mean the original AT) start off in the heresy era and expand to other eras once the base game is out and they bring in new races. that's the plan for AT2018, and will be the new plan for BF:H.

I would like that a lot.

ValentineGames wrote:
I'm scared of a BFG release.
40k - cocked up.
Fantasy - cocked up.
Kill Team - cocked up.
Necromunda - cocked up.
Titanicus - cocked up.

BFG...they will cock it up.

Methinks you need to step away from GW and try some other Wargames or try a new hobby. If you're getting to a point where you're on a - pretty dominantly GW based forum and community and engaging in chats with people and yet your general view is that EVERYTHING is a near disaster then, well, its a sign you need to move on and get something new in your life.

 Overread wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
I'm scared of a BFG release.
40k - cocked up.
Fantasy - cocked up.
Kill Team - cocked up.
Necromunda - cocked up.
Titanicus - cocked up.

BFG...they will cock it up.

Methinks you need to step away from GW and try some other Wargames or try a new hobby. If you're getting to a point where you're on a - pretty dominantly GW based forum and community and engaging in chats with people and yet your general view is that EVERYTHING is a near disaster then, well, its a sign you need to move on and get something new in your life.

Well, not really. I disagree with most of that(they certainly did cock up fantasy), but just because someone isn't enamoured of what GW happen to be doing right at this very moment doesn't mean they should banish themselves to other hobbies - it's entirely possible to hold a negative view of the current version of the product but still enjoy the prior versions, and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to express that opinion.

I like the idea of it, but I don't think GW can or should try and support yet another game on top of their already large lineup. They have already banished AT/Necromunda from all of my local GW stores, same with blood bowl. These games are getting good support in terms of actual releases, but GW needs to consider calming down and stop throwing poo at the wall to see what sticks. Just support their already impressive lineup of games.

 Thargrim wrote:
They have already banished AT/Necromunda from all of my local GW stores, same with blood bowl.

In the UK, that's up to individual store mangers - Kill Team & Necromunda were both played in-store today.

ValentineGames wrote:
I'm scared of a BFG release.
40k - cocked up.
Fantasy - cocked up.
Kill Team - cocked up.
Necromunda - cocked up.
Titanicus - cocked up.

BFG...they will cock it up.

ValentineGames wrote:

40k - awesome
Fantasy - better than ever
Kill Team - couple of false starts but the new one is good
Necromunda - no idea
Titanicus - amazing

BFG... who knows, let's wait and see

 Overread wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
I'm scared of a BFG release.
40k - cocked up.
Fantasy - cocked up.
Kill Team - cocked up.
Necromunda - cocked up.
Titanicus - cocked up.

BFG...they will cock it up.

Methinks you need to step away from GW and try some other Wargames or try a new hobby. If you're getting to a point where you're on a - pretty dominantly GW based forum and community and engaging in chats with people and yet your general view is that EVERYTHING is a near disaster then, well, its a sign you need to move on and get something new in your life.

Why do you think I never post any painted GW stuff?
(Ignoring the gakky CAD sculpts)

Get to play 3mm already! ;-)

ValentineGames wrote:

Why do you think I never post any painted GW stuff?
(Ignoring the gakky CAD sculpts)

What is it you do around here?

 General Helstrom wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

Why do you think I never post any painted GW stuff?
(Ignoring the gakky CAD sculpts)

What is it you do around here?

Post stuff I paint.
Think I've posted 5 or 6 things now

BFG will be re released eventualy, just be prepeard that your old metal ships might not be the same scale.

ValentineGames wrote:

 General Helstrom wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

Why do you think I never post any painted GW stuff?
(Ignoring the gakky CAD sculpts)

What is it you do around here?

Post stuff I paint.
Think I've posted 5 or 6 things now

So why bother to visit sections of the forum for games you don't even play? feels like trolling if you ask me

I hope they upscale BFG and it comes out with all new stuff or a bigger scale (my old stuff can be converted to other things).

To the guy that says everything is crap... If everything is crap play something else??? I have found 8th 40k to be fun and N17 to be great times (the staggered release has been great to buy every gang) the rules controversy between issues isn't a big deal between my game group, we make a ruling and it is what it is (It's a narrative game not some uber competitive thing).

Why in the name of the great googly moogly would you want them to increase the size of the models? BFG isn't AT, the models were never wildly out of scale relative to each other, they don't need to be enlarged to fully benefit from the added detail of modern design and production techniques, and they don't need to be redesigned to update a dated aesthetic. There's also no business reason to switch, since despite how awesome it was BFG never garnered enough of a playerbase for there to be a big secondary market like there has been over the years for Necromunda and Epic; they don't need to switch scales to invalidate existing collections because, frankly, there aren't many existing collections out there relative to how many folk would be buying in to the new version.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Battlefleet is a game of commanding fleets, the name is a dead giveaway. The bigger the models are, the fewer you can fit on a table, and the less the game replicates the intended experience.

Because I like the aesthetic, they look ok I think could look way better, give them a better size and presence (and If there was such a low player base, who cares if invalid the old fleets... I have them and I dont care, if we get awesome new ones?)


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How would they make money if didn't relaunch new kits/sizes???? (It is a company, if they re-did same scale, people would just reuse/buy old kits off ebay, that is not productive to good sales, they have to make money to continue/make a game) I think you would be surprised at the amount of collections, enough to warrant a change in scale, even purely for aesthetic. All is moot no real study done, but if spend the money to invest in a remake of a game why take the chance? Just re-scale it and get all the sales.

The Issues I have with a rescale means that there will be game space issues. Oh they could easily increase things to the DFC size of things but much more and things can go bad with table space and model count.

Of course expense is also a definite concern.

I addressed that argument already in my post - there's no need to rescale for sales reasons, because there just aren't that many BFG models floating around out there for people to buy. I know that for a fact because I funded an entire *year* of hobby spending by flogging mine a while ago, that's how ludicrous the amounts people were willing to pay due to rarity. And where are you getting the idea I'm arguing they shouldn't put out new kits? Of course they should, they should release tons of kits, but they should maintain the existing, established aesthetic and the existing, well-suited scale.

And I don't get the "presence" argument - they have presence already, as a fleet. It's seeing multiple squadrons of ships squaring off and maneuvering around the board and brawling with each other that provides the spectacle for BFG, if you increase the size of the ships you necessarily have to reduce the size of the games to squadron vs squadron rather than fleet vs fleet. Why would someone want that when they can already get pretty much exactly that experience gameplay wise from AT?

BF:H has to offer something different, and "it's basically AT, but with different models" isn't enough. If they put out a Battlefleet game where it's only practical to run five or so ships, I think that would be their first flop of the new SGs.

 Yodhrin wrote:

BF:H has to offer something different, and "it's basically AT, but with different models" isn't enough. If they put out a Battlefleet game where it's only practical to run five or so ships, I think that would be their first flop of the new SGs.

Yea, they would need a couple of factions for this one.

We would need various things like altered movement space stations, slingshot orbits and Primarch Ships. If they sold lets say the Vengeful Spirit as a core ship and lets say the Red Tear we could see some fun things.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I addressed that argument already in my post - there's no need to rescale for sales reasons, because there just aren't that many BFG models floating around out there for people to buy. I know that for a fact because I funded an entire *year* of hobby spending by flogging mine a while ago, that's how ludicrous the amounts people were willing to pay due to rarity. And where are you getting the idea I'm arguing they shouldn't put out new kits? Of course they should, they should release tons of kits, but they should maintain the existing, established aesthetic and the existing, well-suited scale.

And I don't get the "presence" argument - they have presence already, as a fleet. It's seeing multiple squadrons of ships squaring off and maneuvering around the board and brawling with each other that provides the spectacle for BFG, if you increase the size of the ships you necessarily have to reduce the size of the games to squadron vs squadron rather than fleet vs fleet. Why would someone want that when they can already get pretty much exactly that experience gameplay wise from AT?

BF:H has to offer something different, and "it's basically AT, but with different models" isn't enough. If they put out a Battlefleet game where it's only practical to run five or so ships, I think that would be their first flop of the new SGs.

You addressed anecdotal evidence (because you believe it is so, doesn't mean it is so. "I funded an entire army" means gak all). You don't have to reduce anything...How many times have you spent flying around and 70% of the board is feth all????? Just change the mechanics to suite the new size.

If they are gunna redo it they want to make a profit... (pure business sense). Why would they dilute profits with conflicts from previous games? They could increase game size and is marginally different from AT (A: ships B: in space...) They could use similar system to the old BFG atm just some updates etc (I didn't buy AT or care about it so idk about that). If they don't update it (more than rules, models are where they make money, it is never gunna happen)

I agree with Yodhrin. The BFG miniatures are big enough already. Actually, I’d like to see the escorts reduced; something like the multi-model bases used for the Rebel transports in Star Wars: Armada would be a good idea, I think. Making the models bigger means you end up with the same stupidly small “fleets” that Armada has. It’s disappointing and verging on breaking the Trade Descriptions Act.

As for factions, you’ve got nineteen different ones straight out the box, and all you need is a different colour of paint. The differentiating factor should be, IMO, doctrines, strategies and tactics, not stuff. That’s the best thing about the Heresy setting - see.ing how the armies make different use of the same basic equipment.

~ Supposedly it is on the success/revenue driven specialist games road map.

~ It is (at least initially) aimed to be horus heresy era because that means that day 1, game 1 can have the same models for both sides, with more variation (or factions or even races) added later.

~ the basic models being more or less resurrected wouldn't surprise me, but I agree making escorts smaller relative to cruisers wouldn't hurt.

~ I suspect you would see larger kits - not necessarily base cruisers; they were a pleasing size as a game piece - but battleships and superbattleships like the Macragges Honour, Vengeful Spirit or even Phalanx - one draw of the heresy is the lure of legion flagships as models.

~ The base BFG rules are really good. There are a few tweaks possible but no need to go nuts. Rescaling macrobatteries, making 'column shifts' +1/-1 dice (or similar) and doing away with the bloody gunnery table would be nice.

~ one change I would expect (and would like to see) is updated boarding rules. Every horus heresy novel with naval combat is ultimately resolved by boarding action - and it's probably the one mechanically useless and unsatisfying bit of normal BFG, and - by comparison - the one place 'named characters' or specific marine units (other than a fleet commander) would have a chance to shine.