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So my brother and I have been playing a lot of fortress assault.
He is defending and I'm attacking the only real rule for the type we play is the game isn't over until all of someone's army is destroyed. Fine that's all well and good I wanted to put a house rule in place that protects players from a cheap tactic my brother employed.
The cheap tactic being that both players are down to 1 last unit, but not limited to this number, and 1 of the players decides they are just gonna run around the board and not fight at all in any phase.
So for the sake of examples player 1 is the defender and just has 1 Wolf from a Thunder Calvary unit while player 2 is the attacker and has a unit of 3 Obliterators. The Wolves can move 10 inches and have a weapon range of 24 inches while the Obliterators can only move 4 inches with a weapons range of 24 inches.
So obviously the Wolf has more then enough movement to get out of range and stay of range and player 1 opts to just keep running and not attack and player 2 cannot keep up or get into range. to sum up player 1 will not turn and fight and player 2 cannot get into weapons range.
Since the main theme of the game is confrontation I would say a draw but my competitive side says player 2 wins because player 1 will not fight at all and is just trying to get player 2 to quit out of frustration. My brother says since I cannot get to his unit he wins.
Is this a loss to player 2 or a draw? What do you think?

I think in that instance player 1 and player 2 should agree to disagree, end the game and maybe try some more organized missions from the rulebook.

Of course, as an example.

Just play to the turn limit instead.

To the death is boring and unrealistic scenario anyway

tneva82 wrote:
To the death is boring and unrealistic scenario anyway

I mean REALITICLY the guy with just 1 unit left lost as there is simply no way for him to acheive victory

You don't need a house rule to avoid a "cheap tactic". You need a objective that doesn't involve not taking chances and a time limit to end the game.

That being said, playing for the draw is a time honored tradition when you don't think you can win. One Thunderwolf Calvary is going to be in a bad place trying to take down 3 Obliterators. So unless he needs to fight them, he might as well not.

This is just called a stalemate when it happens in chess

 CrownAxe wrote:
This is just called a stalemate when it happens in chess

He will get down to just his king in chess and then just keep saying he can still win and start to move his king around the board and won't quit until his opponent quits then he says he won becasue his opponent quit. I watched him do this with his friend for 4 hours 1 day. My computer was in the room they were playing chess in. Yes this guy is 19 and not 12.

Even chess gas a limit in that situation. I think if after 10 moves the king os not mated, the game is a stalemate. I forget the actual number but it is official chess rules.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Even chess gas a limit in that situation. I think if after 10 moves the king os not mated, the game is a stalemate. I forget the actual number but it is official chess rules.

There are two key rules in chess for this - threefold repetition (if the board position is identical three times in a game, the game is a draw) and the 50-turn rule (if 50 turns pass without a capture, the game is a draw).

But realistically, king plus one other piece vs just a king should be winnable in almost all scenarios.

On-topic, this is why missions, scenarios, and turn limits exist. If this happens again, though, try to herd him into a corner and he won't be able to slip past you without getting into range. Remember, 24" guns cover the full 4' standard table width, so he can't run forever.

I don't see a problem. If the aim of your game is to wipe out the opposing side, and he outranges you, he can potentially win by kiting you around the board. He would be foolish to do anything else. Having said that, the situation also doesn't make sense. He would only be able to avoid your 24" weapons forever if the table was infinite. Surely you can move in such a way that eventually he is trapped by your 48 inch bubble.

There's also nothing wrong with refusing to surrender in chess when you only have a king left. The opponent might misplay and give you a chance to earn a draw.

As an aside, the scenario you play sounds bad. Why don't you play one of the official missions instead of repeating a janky lopsided mission over and over?

The board is 48" wide, you have a 24" assault weapon so you can advance and fire. Surely you can eventually box him into range?

Torquar wrote:
The board is 48" wide, you have a 24" assault weapon so you can advance and fire. Surely you can eventually box him into range?

Presumabiy thev aren#t fighting over planet bowling ball.

Then again with scenario like that maybe they are

tneva82 wrote:

Torquar wrote:
The board is 48" wide, you have a 24" assault weapon so you can advance and fire. Surely you can eventually box him into range?

Presumabiy thev aren#t fighting over planet bowling ball.

Then again with scenario like that maybe they are

We play on 2 tables put side by side that are 30 inches wide each and 6 feet long. This was a hypothetical scenario and I just wanted a house rule to prevent him from doing that. I have since decided not to play with him anymore since he will not fight Heldrakes, rhinos, vindicators, plague crawler tanks, obliterators, blight drones, daemon princes and a few other units because they can in theory, I haven't been able to use them because he won't fight them, counter his thunder cavalry and Fenrisian wolf blobs.

 CrownAxe wrote:
This is just called a stalemate when it happens in chess

Shake hands and go to bed.

Refusing to play against half your codex because it might give you a chance of beating him? Yeah, stop playing with him.

Just to avoid opening yet another discussion for a simple question.
Where does one get a hold of the upgrades for chaos lords? Like the disc of Tzeetch, terminator armor, bike, juggernaut of Khorne, palanquin of Nurgle, steed of Slaanesh and the jump packs as well as all the weapons it can be fitted with that don't come with the model.

There are no upgrade kits for these things. Some have other kits like:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/CSM-Terminator-Lord

Others require you to kit bash from multiple GW Kits to create like combining parts from a Chaos Lord kit with those from a Chaos Biker kit to create a Chaos Lord on Bike.

Sabot it varies a bit.
Some are distinct models in their own right (in fact many should be as GW has generally been removing major options that are not currently modelled as part of their range).

So if there isn't a dedicated model for it on the GW website then you've got a few options.

1) Find the bits you do need and then hit up ebay and search for them as individual parts. Eg you might find a plastic Juggernaught or a spare Tzeentch disk. This requires a bit of hunting and looking but you can often find spares for many things and the US market is pretty large for spares (I often see way more over there than there are on the UK side).

2) Convert using your own spares - yep sometimes you get spare parts in kits that you can use on other kits.

3) Greenstuff - make your own and convert! Can be a bit hard for some things and easier for others and even is you're using option 1 you can sometimes need a bit of greenstuff to finish things off.

I mean honestly. He will have to try and make that charge at some point. You just get to the center of the board and inch toward him. You're guns will reach him eventually.

Sabot88 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Torquar wrote:
The board is 48" wide, you have a 24" assault weapon so you can advance and fire. Surely you can eventually box him into range?

Presumabiy thev aren#t fighting over planet bowling ball.

Then again with scenario like that maybe they are

We play on 2 tables put side by side that are 30 inches wide each and 6 feet long. This was a hypothetical scenario and I just wanted a house rule to prevent him from doing that. I have since decided not to play with him anymore since he will not fight Heldrakes, rhinos, vindicators, plague crawler tanks, obliterators, blight drones, daemon princes and a few other units because they can in theory, I haven't been able to use them because he won't fight them, counter his thunder cavalry and Fenrisian wolf blobs.

This kind of player is what I like to call a "lost cause."

Check out your local gaming store and see if they have a group. if you're anywhere near Massachusetts I can help with that!

mhalko1 wrote:
I mean honestly. He will have to try and make that charge at some point. You just get to the center of the board and inch toward him. You're guns will reach him eventually.

Assuming it's planet bowling ball rather than board with los blockers so that it's not just "who's got best gunline"

It should also be noted that there's finite room on the board. So, unless it's jetbikes vs TH/SS Termies, or someting equally crazy different (in which case, kiting is 100% reasonable), you will eventually run him down.

You don't even need to be quite as fast. For example, I had to run down horses in a barn when I was a kid (they don't like going back outside after breakfast when it's subzero temperatures). I'm no track star. Horses are faster, but I can run them down thanks to corners.

So, things like Loyalist Tacs vs CSM Tacs - even advancing away from you, you'll get to them.