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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 15:49:55
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Again, I'm not competitive. I'd like to win a few games... maybe win as many as I lose. I'm not looking at topping a GT or ITC tournament at all.
So, would running maybe three IKs, two Warglaives, and some AdMech backup (Enginseer, Rangers, Vanguard, Infiltrators) actually work as a 2000 point army? I like the fact that it's so few models. But, would I be able to win as many as I lose? Are there any armies that would be a very bad matchup for this army?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 15:56:35
Subject: Re:Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes, you'll probably win far more than you lose in a casual setting against average "battle report"-armies, because IK are pretty much 40K in easy-mode.
You'll probably lose to, no surprise there, tournament armies, because they're currently all set-up to beat Knights one way or the other, either with super-hordes or some Knight-killing trick dialed up to 11, or to people who know how to pull all the necessary subtle tricks on Knights with movement blocking, clever objective placement, etc.., etc..
You'll probably also lose to Knight-armies with more efficient support than AdMech (e.g. Guard, BA, most commonly, Custodes sometimes).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 16:38:43
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games? SG
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/09/20 16:39:09
40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 16:42:39
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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ServiceGames wrote:So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games?
SG
It doesn't sound terribly fun list to play or play against. An army which mixes bigger and smaller Knights, as well as some Ad Mech units would probably result more interesting games to everyone involved.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 19:11:59
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Lord of the Fleet
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ServiceGames wrote:So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games?
SG
Lack of CPs stops it being really strong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 19:39:16
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Scott-S6 wrote: ServiceGames wrote:So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games?
SG
Lack of CPs stops it being really strong.
You think a knight lance with an admech batallion isn't strong?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 20:53:33
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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Xenomancers wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: ServiceGames wrote:So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games?
SG
Lack of CPs stops it being really strong.
You think a knight lance with an admech batallion isn't strong?
I mean it's not weak but their is better ways to do it and depending on how many knights you take the admech battalion gets pretty lean on wargear.
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Ultramarine 6000 : Imperial Knights 1700 : Grey Knights 1000 : Ad mech 500 :Nids 4000 : Necrons 500 : Death watch 500 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 20:58:22
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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It's literally the next best things to do over a guard battalion - it's actually competitive against it to. It gives you the ability to get canticle on one of your knights. It's cheap and gives you 5 CP. Then you load up on your 3-4 favorite knights and stomp anything but the most competitive armies and even give them a run for your money. The only thing keeping armies like this from dominating tournaments is a single fething model. Captains slamquin - because for 130 points he turns 450+ point knights to oatmeal in a single round.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/20 21:02:26
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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a more even split of Knights and AdMech would probably be stronger vs more lists than mostly Knights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/21 06:11:42
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Xenomancers wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: ServiceGames wrote:So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games?
SG
Lack of CPs stops it being really strong.
You think a knight lance with an admech batallion isn't strong?
Where in that list of stuff is an admech battalion?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/21 15:31:18
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Scott-S6 wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: ServiceGames wrote:So, would a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Warden, and a Shadowsword just be super mean in casual games?
SG
Lack of CPs stops it being really strong.
You think a knight lance with an admech batallion isn't strong?
Where in that list of stuff is an admech battalion?
This is what the OP is describing. Admech backup army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/23 00:50:32
Subject: Re:Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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This is what I’m about to start running after I finish building the kastelan robots
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [55 PL, 766pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
Forge World: Stygies VIII
+ HQ +
Tech-Priest Dominus [7 PL, 125pts]: Macrostubber, Omnissian Axe, Volkite Blaster
Tech-Priest Enginseer [3 PL, 47pts]: Omnissian Axe, Servo-arm
+ Troops +
Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 35pts]: 4x Skitarii Ranger
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle
Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 35pts]: 4x Skitarii Ranger
. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle
Skitarii Vanguards [4 PL, 40pts]: 4x Skitarii Vanguard
. Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine
+ Elites +
Cybernetica Datasmith [3 PL, 44pts]: Gamma pistol, Power fist
Sicarian Infiltrators [6 PL, 110pts]
. Infiltrator Princeps
. . Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
. 4x Sicarian Infiltrator (Flechette/Taser): 4x Flechette Blaster, 4x Taser goad
+ Heavy Support +
Kastelan Robots [24 PL, 330pts]
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
. Kastelan Robot: Heavy Phosphor blaster
. . Heavy phosphor blasters: 2x Heavy Phosphor blaster
++ Super-Heavy Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [68 PL, 1230pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Exalted Court: Exalted Court: 1 Extra Warlord Trait (-1CP)
Heirlooms of the Household: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom (-1CP)
Household Choice: House Raven, Questor Mechanicus
+ Lord of War +
Knight Crusader [25 PL, 457pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Heavy stubber, Heirloom: Endless Fury, Thermal cannon, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Ion Bulwark
. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
Knight Gallant [20 PL, 354pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Heavy stubber, Heirloom: Armour of the Sainted Ion, Reaper chainsword, Thunderstrike gauntlet, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Landstrider
Knight Preceptor [23 PL, 419pts]: Heavy stubber, Reaper chainsword
++ Total: [123 PL, 1996pts] ++
Created with BattleScribe
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/23 02:56:51
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Looks good. Is that last knight actually a preceptor? Just says reaper chainsword?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/23 03:37:43
Subject: Re:Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yeah it is idk why BattleScribe didn’t list it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/23 08:58:01
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Yes, that was the OP. Then SG posts something different with no mention of admech for a casual list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/24 11:28:19
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Freaky Flayed One
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Small addendum: You can't Canticles on knights in a super-heavy detachment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/24 13:46:37
Subject: Is an Imperial Knights with AdMech backup army viable in currently 40K?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think you have a fun force to fight against and it should win you some fights. I think your bring a good mix. Too many times you get people who don't bring enough foot troops to distract from the knights.
If I recommended anything it would be to drop the Preceptor to a Gallant, and add a Carapace weapon to your Crusader. Also you might consider putting Ion bulwork on the Gallant you have, and give it the Sanctuary, so it has the 4+ save in shooting and in HTH. People hate that.
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