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Just dumb enough to work?

... I feel like I have been asking that a lot lately ...

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Not worth paying theater prices for, but I’d watch it on netflix. Looks like it could be fun.

   
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I don't know if this is the right kind of dumb for me - I felt more cringe as I saw the trailer than anything else. Whilst Sherlock has somewhat been done to death as of late (at least it feels like it); I can't help but feel that the angle they've taken is just a touch too -- eh best I can come up with to describe it is "slapstick American" style for my liking.

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 Overread wrote:
I don't know if this is the right kind of dumb for me - I felt more cringe as I saw the trailer than anything else. Whilst Sherlock has somewhat been done to death as of late (at least it feels like it); I can't help but feel that the angle they've taken is just a touch too -- eh best I can come up with to describe it is "slapstick American" style for my liking.



Yeah. Also 'anachronistic, ahistorical, slapstick American'. I feel shame just watching the trailer.

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It's nice to see that I have yet another reason to keep boycotting Will Ferrell movies.

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So much cringe. Couldn’t even make it through the trailer.
   
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It looks a great laugh!

The beauty of Holmes is he is such a strong established character that you can riff all kinds of crap off of him if you want to.


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I really enjoyed the parody of more recent versions of Holmes (i.e., RDJr, Cumberbatch). The disguise gag is also a pretty legit criticism of how Watson is often played as a fool in order to make Holmes seem like a genius.

   
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Probably, but it seems like this movie is worrying too much about doing stuff like that vs. just being its own movie version (comedy at that) of Holmes and Watson.

I am also somewhat amazed that Ferrell continues to get things like this greenlit.

His time as a 'leading man' or main attraction seems to have come and gone.

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Ferrell is hit or miss- I have to say I really enjoyed Watson's trigger happiness. Trying to shoot bees!

This looks pretty good to me! Somewhere above Old School, but well below Blades of Glory.

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Hm, I think i'll just go and watch "Without a clue" again. At least with Michael Caine and Ben Kingsley, you know you're going to get some decent performances.
   
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 Gitzbitah wrote:
Ferrell is hit or miss- I have to say I really enjoyed Watson's trigger happiness. Trying to shoot bees!

This looks pretty good to me! Somewhere above Old School, but well below Blades of Glory.


Yeah, he has had a few flops, but generally his movies do well at the box office. Plus, Anchorman. I loves me some Anchorman.

Holmes & Watson looks like good, dumb fun. Something to definitely catch during the Christmas break.
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The beauty of Holmes is he is such a strong established character that you can riff all kinds of crap off of him if you want to.



I think one problem is that the character of Holmes is a bit too strongly established. Unless you really try to put some sort of extreme spin on it, how do you get past the core concept that Holmes is, above all, a successful detective?
And, quite frankly, I'm tired of bumbling Watsons. Such a horrible trope from the old days of Hollywood where you had to have a "funny man" for random comedy in order to appeal to a wider audience.

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Aye, Watson is far from bumbling in the original material, in fact Holmes trains him rather well in his methods and relies on him quite significantly many times. Watson is only really ever "lesser" when compared to Holmes, who in turn tends to result in most characters appearing lesser when compared to him.

I also find it interesting how many attempts to recreate Holmes ignore the fact that one reason he knew so much at the time was that he was trawling all the newspapers, built a huge library of important people and their own personal details etc... He essentially built his own "wikipedia" style knowledge base alongside his observational skills.

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I'll watch it, just to spite all the "I'm too cool for a silly comedy film" folks. Christ, you're worse than theatre students.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Overread wrote:
Aye, Watson is far from bumbling in the original material, in fact Holmes trains him rather well in his methods and relies on him quite significantly many times. Watson is only really ever "lesser" when compared to Holmes, who in turn tends to result in most characters appearing lesser when compared to him.

I also find it interesting how many attempts to recreate Holmes ignore the fact that one reason he knew so much at the time was that he was trawling all the newspapers, built a huge library of important people and their own personal details etc... He essentially built his own "wikipedia" style knowledge base alongside his observational skills.


It's funny to me that the present version of Holmes floating about that gets all of those things the most correct is Elementary, the one derided by some Holmes fans as a "dumb procedural" that takes too many liberties.

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 Elbows wrote:
I'll watch it, just to spite all the "I'm too cool for a silly comedy film" folks. Christ, you're worse than theatre students.



Hey I'm all for silly comedy
Just that the trailer for this suggests that the taste of the silly isn't my kind of silly silliness

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Aye, Watson is far from bumbling in the original material, in fact Holmes trains him rather well in his methods and relies on him quite significantly many times. Watson is only really ever "lesser" when compared to Holmes, who in turn tends to result in most characters appearing lesser when compared to him.

I also find it interesting how many attempts to recreate Holmes ignore the fact that one reason he knew so much at the time was that he was trawling all the newspapers, built a huge library of important people and their own personal details etc... He essentially built his own "wikipedia" style knowledge base alongside his observational skills.


It's funny to me that the present version of Holmes floating about that gets all of those things the most correct is Elementary, the one derided by some Holmes fans as a "dumb procedural" that takes too many liberties.


I've not seen that, but I thought Jude Law's portrayal in the recent two films was reasonable too.
   
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So much so that Watson was the one that discovered the assassin in Game of Shadows.

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 Overread wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
I'll watch it, just to spite all the "I'm too cool for a silly comedy film" folks. Christ, you're worse than theatre students.



Hey I'm all for silly comedy
Just that the trailer for this suggests that the taste of the silly isn't my kind of silly silliness


Exactly!

Silly is just fine - and appreciated!

Stupid dumb?

Not so much.

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Sherlock Holmes meets Will Ferrell? Hard pass. Like...nobody is getting me to watch that unless it’s free. And even then...I suspect I’d rather be doing anything else.

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 Mysterio wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
I'll watch it, just to spite all the "I'm too cool for a silly comedy film" folks. Christ, you're worse than theatre students.



Hey I'm all for silly comedy
Just that the trailer for this suggests that the taste of the silly isn't my kind of silly silliness


Exactly!

Silly is just fine - and appreciated!

Stupid dumb?

Not so much.


It's a fine line between the two that many can very easily miss.
Take the old Dad's Army - they were silly but not dumb, just a bit daft. The new movie they made just went into realms of silly for silly's sake alone.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Aye, Watson is far from bumbling in the original material, in fact Holmes trains him rather well in his methods and relies on him quite significantly many times. Watson is only really ever "lesser" when compared to Holmes, who in turn tends to result in most characters appearing lesser when compared to him.

I also find it interesting how many attempts to recreate Holmes ignore the fact that one reason he knew so much at the time was that he was trawling all the newspapers, built a huge library of important people and their own personal details etc... He essentially built his own "wikipedia" style knowledge base alongside his observational skills.


It's funny to me that the present version of Holmes floating about that gets all of those things the most correct is Elementary, the one derided by some Holmes fans as a "dumb procedural" that takes too many liberties.


I've not seen that, but I thought Jude Law's portrayal in the recent two films was reasonable too.


It was aye, but given those are based on that comic series rather than the original novels, it leans a lot into the "Holmes as unassailable solo-genius" angle purely so they can do the flashy solves and get right to the punching folk and running through 'splosions(which, for the record, is fine, I like those films a lot). Elementary has a Holmes who's evidently a cut above anyone else, but he has a large stable of "Irregulars", some one-offs, some recurring, who come in and give specialist assistance sometimes, and his Watson is very nearly an equal after a couple of years of training.

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 Overread wrote:
The new movie they made just went into realms of silly for silly's sake alone.


Oh, the horror! A silly comedy being silly on purpose! OUTRAGEOUS!!!


 Elbows wrote:
I'll watch it, just to spite all the "I'm too cool for a silly comedy film" folks. Christ, you're worse than theatre students.


Seriously.
   
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It doesn't look horrific, and while I'm not keen on the slapstick humour (personal preference), I must admit I really liked the "We have a REAL doctor!" "Would you like some heroin" joke. I won't see it, but I might see it when it releases at home.

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 Yodhrin wrote:


It was aye, but given those are based on that comic series rather than the original novels, it leans a lot into the "Holmes as unassailable solo-genius" angle purely so they can do the flashy solves and get right to the punching folk and running through 'splosions(which, for the record, is fine, I like those films a lot). Elementary has a Holmes who's evidently a cut above anyone else, but he has a large stable of "Irregulars", some one-offs, some recurring, who come in and give specialist assistance sometimes, and his Watson is very nearly an equal after a couple of years of training.


Ah, I wasn't aware that the Guy Ritchie film s were second-generation adaptations. I thought they were pretty good portrayals of the relationship between Holmes and Watson as shown in the stories, and while we never got to see Holmes doing much research, there were hints of it (usually in the experiments on the dog).

If Elementary is on Amazon Prime or Netflix, I'll try and take a look.
   
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The trailer managed to get a couple of chuckles out of me (particularly the bees) but I fear that, like a lot of recent Will Ferrell movies, all the funny parts will be in the trailers.

Some of his earlier roles were comedy gold, such as Zoolander, Anchorman and even his small role in Austin Powers stood out as one of the best characters in the film, but I can't remember the last time I got excited about him being in a film.

The same goes for John C Reilly. He's a fantastic actor with some great performances under his belt (Stan &Ollie looks incredible), but seems to enjoy making very questionable decisions

 
   
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Reilly was great in Guardians. I find him a more enjoyable actor. He doesn’t go QUITE as over the top as Ferrell.

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I loved Step Brothers and Talageda Nights, those 2 are great together. I won't get to the theater for this as usual, but it's already on my list for netflix/cable

 
   
 
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