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Hey all,

From RAW you can use the stratagem to buy extra Relics for any character, not just those in your Warlord Detachment

However a friend recently said all relics have to be in the Warlord Detachment

Am I missing something here?

If an army has a "+1 Relic" strategem, you can use it on your army even if it's not the one with your Warlord.

Awesome thanks

Mordian2016 wrote:
Hey all,

From RAW you can use the stratagem to buy extra Relics for any character, not just those in your Warlord Detachment

However a friend recently said all relics have to be in the Warlord Detachment

Am I missing something here?

There is a small contingent of players who take issue with the wording of the stratagem. The Space Marine one for example says it allows your to take "one extra chapter relic". The implication being that you have to already have one chapter relic (ie. the free one from your Warlord) to be allowed extra ones.

While this is worth noting, it should also be noted that this is very much a minority opinion, and I've never heard of a tournament ruling that way, or encountered a player in real life who played it this way.

It’s all so an extreme disadvantage for mono faction built army lists which max out relics at 3 and mixed faction army builds can access 7 relics.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
It’s all so an extreme disadvantage for mono faction built army lists which max out relics at 3 and mixed faction army builds can access 7 relics.

Eeeeh...

No one is taking 7 relics for 9cp though. Not in a competitive list certainly!

Access to a wide range of relics is certainly strong though. You can take the best relic each out of 3 different factions, instead of 3 from the same list.

 Stux wrote:

Mordian2016 wrote:
Hey all,

From RAW you can use the stratagem to buy extra Relics for any character, not just those in your Warlord Detachment

However a friend recently said all relics have to be in the Warlord Detachment

Am I missing something here?

There is a small contingent of players who take issue with the wording of the stratagem. The Space Marine one for example says it allows your to take "one extra chapter relic". The implication being that you have to already have one chapter relic (ie. the free one from your Warlord) to be allowed extra ones.

While this is worth noting, it should also be noted that this is very much a minority opinion, and I've never heard of a tournament ruling that way, or encountered a player in real life who played it this way.

It's a minority opinion because it ignores the RaW and ignores the "RaI" via the Death Guard FAQ.

It has also been raised several times in several threads throughout 8th and always ends with the same conclusion that 0 relics +1 extra is 1 relic as per the English language. There was even a lot of consensus prior to the DG FAQ that just confirmed what was already being played.

9 CP is definitely too many CP for most armies to tacticaly afford relics arn't always that strong I mean how much value do you really get out of that upgraded power sword

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Mordian2016 wrote:
Hey all,

From RAW you can use the stratagem to buy extra Relics for any character, not just those in your Warlord Detachment

However a friend recently said all relics have to be in the Warlord Detachment

Am I missing something here?

There is a small contingent of players who take issue with the wording of the stratagem. The Space Marine one for example says it allows your to take "one extra chapter relic". The implication being that you have to already have one chapter relic (ie. the free one from your Warlord) to be allowed extra ones.

While this is worth noting, it should also be noted that this is very much a minority opinion, and I've never heard of a tournament ruling that way, or encountered a player in real life who played it this way.

It's a minority opinion because it ignores the RaW and ignores the "RaI" via the Death Guard FAQ.

Not just the Death Guard FAQ, the Craftworlds FAQ as well.

 Stux wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
It’s all so an extreme disadvantage for mono faction built army lists which max out relics at 3 and mixed faction army builds can access 7 relics.

Eeeeh...

No one is taking 7 relics for 9cp though. Not in a competitive list certainly!

Access to a wide range of relics is certainly strong though. You can take the best relic each out of 3 different factions, instead of 3 from the same list.

It doesn’t matter what is happening in real game play, players at major tournaments have still expressed the disparity. Having access to the best of 3 sources worth of relics is still far superior to what mono factions have to choose from.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
It’s all so an extreme disadvantage for mono faction built army lists which max out relics at 3 and mixed faction army builds can access 7 relics.

Eeeeh...

No one is taking 7 relics for 9cp though. Not in a competitive list certainly!

Access to a wide range of relics is certainly strong though. You can take the best relic each out of 3 different factions, instead of 3 from the same list.

It doesn’t matter what is happening in real game play, players at major tournaments have still expressed the disparity. Having access to the best of 3 sources worth of relics is still far superior to what mono factions have to choose from.

That's... Exactly what I said.