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Just browsing 1D4Chan's Daemon tactics article, and this came up about a Khorne Relic

This Crown is also for shooting, so 1 lord, some skull cannons, when they wound on a 6's they can make an additional 1 Heavy D6 salvo (yes thats how it works by wording of the Death Guard FAQ read the part about mortarions weapons 'Silence').

Now I know 1D4Chan has to be taken with a pinch (several?) of salt, but I don't ever recall this being in the rules. Silence states "Make 3 hit rolls for every attack made with this weapon", so if you get another attack such as from DttFE, you can make 3 hit rolls. I obviouslt want to say the above quote is incorrect, but has there been a ruling I've been unaware of that lets you attack with the full weapon stats?

 Valkyrie wrote:
Just browsing 1D4Chan's Daemon tactics article, and this came up about a Khorne Relic

This Crown is also for shooting, so 1 lord, some skull cannons, when they wound on a 6's they can make an additional 1 Heavy D6 salvo (yes thats how it works by wording of the Death Guard FAQ read the part about mortarions weapons 'Silence').

Now I know 1D4Chan has to be taken with a pinch (several?) of salt, but I don't ever recall this being in the rules. Silence states "Make 3 hit rolls for every attack made with this weapon", so if you get another attack such as from DttFE, you can make 3 hit rolls. I obviouslt want to say the above quote is incorrect, but has there been a ruling I've been unaware of that lets you attack with the full weapon stats?

I don't see anything in the Death Guard FAQ, but the idea looks legit.

It's unusual wording when applied to shooting, which implies to me it's an unintended interaction.

Nevertheless, it appears to be RAW.

EDIT: note that normally when 6's explode on a shooting attack, the wording is not "make an extra attack" it is "make an extra hit roll" or something like that. If the intention is to shoot all the weapons shots again, such as with a Space Marine Ancient, the wording is "shoot with a weapon" or similar.

Which is what makes me think this is unintentional.

Each time you make a wound roll of 6+ for a friendly KHORNE DAEMON unit within 6" of the bearer of the Crimson Crown, the model that made that attack can immediately make an extra attack against the same target using the same weapon. These extra attacks cannot themselves generate any further attacks.

Q: If Mortarion attacks an Imperium unit with Silence (using
the eviscerating blow profile), and the hit roll is a 6 (allowing
him to make an extra attack with Silence due to the Death to the
False Emperor ability), does the extra attack have to be made
using the same profile, or can it be made with the weapon’s other
profile (reaping scythe) instead?
A: The extra attack can be made using either profile.

This tells us that you can choose a profile, when a weapon has more than one. It doesnt say you roll a D6. It says "the extra attack", which is singular. Thus, the skull cannon can only make one extra attack.

 p5freak wrote:

Each time you make a wound roll of 6+ for a friendly KHORNE DAEMON unit within 6" of the bearer of the Crimson Crown, the model that made that attack can immediately make an extra attack against the same target using the same weapon. These extra attacks cannot themselves generate any further attacks.

Q: If Mortarion attacks an Imperium unit with Silence (using
the eviscerating blow profile), and the hit roll is a 6 (allowing
him to make an extra attack with Silence due to the Death to the
False Emperor ability), does the extra attack have to be made
using the same profile, or can it be made with the weapon’s other
profile (reaping scythe) instead?
A: The extra attack can be made using either profile.

This tells us that you can choose a profile, when a weapon has more than one. It doesnt say you roll a D6. It says "the extra attack", which is singular. Thus, the skull cannon can only make one extra attack.

A shooting attack with a weapon (singular) encompasses all the shots that weapon makes though. As per Chapter Ancients.

 Stux wrote:

A shooting attack with a weapon (singular) encompasses all the shots that weapon makes though. As per Chapter Ancients.

The chapter ancient rule is different, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

....On a 4+ that model musters one last surge of strength before succumbing to its wounds; it can either shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the Shooting phase, or make a single attack as if it were the Fight phase.

It tells us to shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the Shooting phase. The crown tells us to make an extra attack against the same target using the same weapon.

 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

A shooting attack with a weapon (singular) encompasses all the shots that weapon makes though. As per Chapter Ancients.

The chapter ancient rule is different, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

....On a 4+ that model musters one last surge of strength before succumbing to its wounds; it can either shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the Shooting phase, or make a single attack as if it were the Fight phase.

It tells us to shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the Shooting phase. The crown tells us to make an extra attack against the same target using the same weapon.

Show a rule that clearly states a shooting attack is one shot then.

 Stux wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

A shooting attack with a weapon (singular) encompasses all the shots that weapon makes though. As per Chapter Ancients.

The chapter ancient rule is different, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

....On a 4+ that model musters one last surge of strength before succumbing to its wounds; it can either shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the Shooting phase, or make a single attack as if it were the Fight phase.

It tells us to shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the Shooting phase. The crown tells us to make an extra attack against the same target using the same weapon.

Show a rule that clearly states a shooting attack is one shot then.

P. 179, 2nd column, 2nd paragraph - "Number of attacks"

Each time a model shoots a ranged weapon, it will make a number of attacks. You roll one dice for each attack being made. The number of attacks a model can make with a weapon, and therefore the number of dice you can roll, is found on the weapon's profile, along with the weapon's type...

P. 180, 1st column, 1st paragraph - "Weapon Types"

... a model firing a 'Heavy 3' weapon can make 3 attacks...

Thank you. Ok, I accept your position.

To expand on what others have said, an "attack" is just a single shot, while "shoot again" is all shots. Look at the Volley Fire stratagem in Codex: Astra Copywritum for an example of an effect that lets you fire the weapon fully a second time.

Otherwise, imagine the gorkanaut gattler with 18 shots rolling another 18 shots for each 6 (dakkadakka rule) . It would be absurd

Gitdakka wrote:
Otherwise, imagine the gorkanaut gattler with 18 shots rolling another 18 shots for each 6 (dakkadakka rule) . It would be absurd

That ability is actuated worded differently. It just says make an additional hit roll, not attack.

It's been proven now that that doesn't make a difference, but Dakka^3 is at least much clearer on this!

Well, this sucks. That was the strategy for my khorne list, based off the info from 1T4chan. Blast! I guess I’ll figure something else out (like my Kytan, maybe.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Well, this sucks. That was the strategy for my khorne list, based off the info from 1T4chan. Blast! I guess I’ll figure something else out (like my Kytan, maybe.

Yeah, 1d4chan is possibly the last place I'd go to for rules explanations I'm afraid!

I caught one page claiming the charge rolled needed from standard deep strike was 8.

1D4chan, as the name implies, has a tendency of deliberately giving false information. They are pure Chaotic Neutral, just as likely to stab you as to give you the shirt off their back.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
1D4chan, as the name implies, has a tendency of deliberately giving false information. They are pure Chaotic Neutral, just as likely to stab you as to give you the shirt off their back.

Pretty good summary!

It's a fun website for the most part, I do enjoy browsing it and it's generally nowhere near as toxic as you'd expect somewhere with '4chan' in its name to be.

That said, it does not have rigorous standards for rules accuracy!

It’s okay. I’ll just use the Crimson Crown combo’d with a FW Kytan for hilarity in a 1k pt game/ 50PL game. Less cannons, more giant stomps robot.