Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hey guys when working out pts do you have to add the generic equipment costs to the model.

For example, a rune priest starts with a runic axe, do you have to add the cost of a runic axe to the cost of a rune priest. Or do the points of rune priest and wolf priests etc, cover all there standard equipment. Only wondering as I ran a list maker and it seemed to add them separately.

Hopefully this makes sense to someone!

All equipment must be paid. However note only what you end up with. If you start with weapon X but switch it to Y you don't pay for X but only for Y.

tneva82 wrote:
All equipment must be paid. However note only what you end up with. If you start with weapon X but switch it to Y you don't pay for X but only for Y.

This. What You See is What You Pay.

It’s worth noting that a lot of basic gear has a cost of zero. And not just things like bolters and grenades, but some main guns on tanks. It’s like they didn’t want to fully embrace the modular price system.

Overall the system is a little finicky and requires a lot of page flipping (or an app) to make a list. But it does help when they need to do a balance tune-up, and do things like bump assault cannons up a few points.

 Nevelon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
All equipment must be paid. However note only what you end up with. If you start with weapon X but switch it to Y you don't pay for X but only for Y.

This. What You See is What You Pay.

It’s worth noting that a lot of basic gear has a cost of zero. And not just things like bolters and grenades, but some main guns on tanks. It’s like they didn’t want to fully embrace the modular price system.

Overall the system is a little finicky and requires a lot of page flipping (or an app) to make a list. But it does help when they need to do a balance tune-up, and do things like bump assault cannons up a few points.

Simple psychology. It feels nice to have something "free" and then upgrade it for 10 points rather than having to pay 50 points for your basic gun or 60 points for the upgrade. Bigger numbers makes players feel like the model costs more points even though it doesn't.

And to confirm the answer, yes, you pay for everything the model is equipped with, but only what you end up with. You don't pay for wargear you no longer have.

It’s very simple, if tedious. You take the points value for the model and add the points values of each piece of its wargear. Named characters are an exception, but if you look at their point values it will be clear they include wargear.

meleti wrote:
It’s very simple, if tedious. You take the points value for the model and add the points values of each piece of its wargear. Named characters are an exception, but if you look at their point values it will be clear they include wargear.

Don't look at cost but text bit above flat out saying point values includes wargear

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Simple psychology. It feels nice to have something "free" and then upgrade it for 10 points rather than having to pay 50 points for your basic gun or 60 points for the upgrade. Bigger numbers makes players feel like the model costs more points even though it doesn't.

It's nowhere near that complicated. The "big" zero-point upgrades are options on units where no other unit can take that option. There's no reason to bother with calculating how much of a unit's point value is contained in its gun and assigning a separate point cost when that gun will never appear anywhere else. Options that appear on multiple units have point costs assigned.

 Peregrine wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Simple psychology. It feels nice to have something "free" and then upgrade it for 10 points rather than having to pay 50 points for your basic gun or 60 points for the upgrade. Bigger numbers makes players feel like the model costs more points even though it doesn't.

It's nowhere near that complicated. The "big" zero-point upgrades are options on units where no other unit can take that option. There's no reason to bother with calculating how much of a unit's point value is contained in its gun and assigning a separate point cost when that gun will never appear anywhere else. Options that appear on multiple units have point costs assigned.

This. But hey, why not ascribe random motives?

 Peregrine wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Simple psychology. It feels nice to have something "free" and then upgrade it for 10 points rather than having to pay 50 points for your basic gun or 60 points for the upgrade. Bigger numbers makes players feel like the model costs more points even though it doesn't.

It's nowhere near that complicated. The "big" zero-point upgrades are options on units where no other unit can take that option. There's no reason to bother with calculating how much of a unit's point value is contained in its gun and assigning a separate point cost when that gun will never appear anywhere else. Options that appear on multiple units have point costs assigned.

One could argue that a point cost assigned anyway would help homebrew but we know very well this is not what GW wants now. And probably most gamers, too.