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So with the release of the Polish People's Army and the Czechoslovak People's Army that just came out recently, I was wondering what types of new factions you'd all like to see in future updates for this game? So far the factions are...

NATO: United States of America, United Kingdom, West Germany, France, Canada, the Netherlands, and the ANZAC.

Warsaw Pact: Soviet Union, East Germany, Poland, and Czechoslovakia.

Now I know that Team Yankee was based on a book, but if BF decides to go off the wall with the alternate history angle, then If it's possible, some ideas for factions I would like to see are the following...

Additional NATO Members: Belgium, Denmark, Iceland(?), Italy, Luxembourg, Norway, Portugal, Greece, Turkey and Spain.

Additional Warsaw Pact Members: Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.

Major Western Allies: Japan, South Korea, Israel and Sweden(?).

Major Eastern Allies: People's Republic of China, North Korea, Yugoslavia and Finland(?).

Other Factions Whose Alignment I'm Not Sure About: India, Brazil, South Africa, Ethiopia, Egypt, Iran, Thailand, etc.

If you're wondering why I included Sweden and Finland on those lists, I was mainly going by this link* right here. Same with the last category, except I was referring to this* one instead. :

LINK 1: http://wargame-series.wikia.com/wiki/Factions
LINK 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg

So feel free to discuss whatever kinds of factions you would like to see in the future of Team Yankee.

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The Fins would never ally with the Russians. I think if you made a resistance faction within the East that would be neat.

My Issue is you can only do so much before it becomes the same. Example the eastern bloc is pretty much ALL the same. Just different cards. (and some variation and a few new units)

Same with the West the other countries will be Leopard and a new APC and AA maybe...

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Placing Israel as a Western ally is a mistake, thats not something that really occurred until the very end of the 1980s. During the 1985 period covered in-game US-Israeli relations erre good and warming but not quite to the point that they would get involved in a fight that had nothing to do with them (and while Soviet-Israeli relations were non-existent at the same point in time, Israel was generally cool with communism/socialism and not concerned with Soviet imperialism).

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Placing Israel as a Western ally is a mistake, thats not something that really occurred until the very end of the 1980s. During the 1985 period covered in-game US-Israeli relations erre good and warming but not quite to the point that they would get involved in a fight that had nothing to do with them (and while Soviet-Israeli relations were non-existent at the same point in time, Israel was generally cool with communism/socialism and not concerned with Soviet imperialism).


What Israel would do would likely depend on what the Arab nations did during the chaos. And we might find that out soon.

The next book has been revealed. It's called "Oil War". What little we know about it can be found in the on-line T-62M write-up for Team Yankee (which allows you to use those T-62 tanks from Fate of a Nation in your 1985 Soviet list), here - https://www.team-yankee.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=6234

Basically, the T-62M will get its release in a book called "Oil War". The linked article allows you to use it while we wait for the book to be released. There's a short bit of fiction in the linked article. A Soviet T-62M unit is passing through Iran to fight against US and Iraqi troops. The Soviet tanks take up position behind a berm, with buildings off in the distance. A lone unidentified tank is hiding behind one of the buildings, and briefly engages the Soviet tanks.

So -

US and Iraqi forces will be fighting together against the Soviets. The fiction doesn't make it clear whether the Iranians are fighting with the Soviets, or against the Soviets. But it's unlikely that they'd fight alongside the Iraqis. The Iran-Iraq War was still in full swing at this time historically, which means that if the US and Iraq are on one side (and the Western nations historically were providing support to Iraq in an attempt to make sure that the war ended in a stalemate), Iran is likely aligned with the Soviets on the other.



Edit - I should add that things will likely get a bit confusing. The Arab nations at this time were generally Soviet clients (with exceptions), and got most of their military equipment from the Soviets. But Iraq got support from the West during the Iran-Iraq War (mostly because the initial Iraqi invasions were thrown back, and Iran had managed to take and hold Iraqi territory that the Western nations didn't want Iran holding onto). So while Iraq is aligned with the US, other Arabs (the Syrians come to mind) will likely be Soviet-aligned.

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ghostmaker wrote:The Fins would never ally with the Russians. I think if you made a resistance faction within the East that would be neat.

My Issue is you can only do so much before it becomes the same. Example the eastern bloc is pretty much ALL the same. Just different cards. (and some variation and a few new units)

Same with the West the other countries will be Leopard and a new APC and AA maybe...


chaos0xomega wrote:Placing Israel as a Western ally is a mistake, thats not something that really occurred until the very end of the 1980s. During the 1985 period covered in-game US-Israeli relations erre good and warming but not quite to the point that they would get involved in a fight that had nothing to do with them (and while Soviet-Israeli relations were non-existent at the same point in time, Israel was generally cool with communism/socialism and not concerned with Soviet imperialism).


Again, as mentioned in the OP, the reason for Israel's, Sweden's and Finland's factional placements was me going by the faction makeup of Wargame: European Escalation/Airland Battle/Red Dragon linked here: http://wargame-series.wikia.com/wiki/Factions And from what I remember, the term "Finlandization" came about due to Soviet influence within Finnish internal politics at the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization Though I don't claim to be an expert on this subject, but from that perspective that's why I considered the idea of Finland being a reluctant Soviet ally to be slightly possible.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Placing Israel as a Western ally is a mistake, thats not something that really occurred until the very end of the 1980s. During the 1985 period covered in-game US-Israeli relations erre good and warming but not quite to the point that they would get involved in a fight that had nothing to do with them (and while Soviet-Israeli relations were non-existent at the same point in time, Israel was generally cool with communism/socialism and not concerned with Soviet imperialism).


What Israel would do would likely depend on what the Arab nations did during the chaos. And we might find that out soon.

The next book has been revealed. It's called "Oil War". What little we know about it can be found in the on-line T-62M write-up for Team Yankee (which allows you to use those T-62 tanks from Fate of a Nation in your 1985 Soviet list), here - https://www.team-yankee.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=6234

Basically, the T-62M will get its release in a book called "Oil War". The linked article allows you to use it while we wait for the book to be released. There's a short bit of fiction in the linked article. A Soviet T-62M unit is passing through Iran to fight against US and Iraqi troops. The Soviet tanks take up position behind a berm, with buildings off in the distance. A lone unidentified tank is hiding behind one of the buildings, and briefly engages the Soviet tanks.

So -

US and Iraqi forces will be fighting together against the Soviets. The fiction doesn't make it clear whether the Iranians are fighting with the Soviets, or against the Soviets. But it's unlikely that they'd fight alongside the Iraqis. The Iran-Iraq War was still in full swing at this time historically, which means that if the US and Iraq are on one side (and the Western nations historically were providing support to Iraq in an attempt to make sure that the war ended in a stalemate), Iran is likely aligned with the Soviets on the other.



Edit - I should add that things will likely get a bit confusing. The Arab nations at this time were generally Soviet clients (with exceptions), and got most of their military equipment from the Soviets. But Iraq got support from the West during the Iran-Iraq War (mostly because the initial Iraqi invasions were thrown back, and Iran had managed to take and hold Iraqi territory that the Western nations didn't want Iran holding onto). So while Iraq is aligned with the US, other Arabs (the Syrians come to mind) will likely be Soviet-aligned.


So it's possible that you could potentially play as as Israel/Iran/Iraq/Syria in this Oil Wars expansion? What other Arab countries could we see take part in this conflict? Egypt? If yes, then the more options for countries to play as the better. At the risk of sounding dumb, honestly, it's kinda hard for me to navigate BF's websites at times. Don't get me wrong, their layouts look nice, but I can't figure out where the "read more" buttons on the new articles are for the life of me.

But on the subject of introducing more factions in this game, how do you think the Non-Aligned Movement would factor into this game's fluff? Considering how in modern times, Brazil and India (along with Germany and Japan) are gunning for some permanent seats on the UNSC, those two countries could be seen as the major players of the NAM organization. I could also see Ethiopia and South Africa playing a role of some kind or another. I guess what I'm trying to ask is, what kind of future expansions could you see BF introduce in order to add more national factions to Team Yankee?

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 K9ofChaos wrote:

So it's possible that you could potentially play as as Israel/Iran/Iraq/Syria in this Oil Wars expansion?


It's not "possible", it's intended.

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I think Battlefront should actually try making the WARPAC factions vaguely interesting and abandon their incredibly ahistorical, Cold-Warrior, NATOboo, Weharboo view of the Soviet Union and its allies military before adding half a dozen more NATO factions to the game.

But if they're going to add more factions, filling out the WARPAC would be important. For such a small nation, Bulgaria had quite a large military. The DPRK and China could be fascinating, though in both cases there's a strong chance Battlefront will be offering up more T-55 hordes.

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Israel could easily be an unaligned faction, or an ally of NATO without being a member of NATO.

Russia's influence with the other ME countries would naturally drive Israel to being a NATO ally even if Russia had no direct hostile intentions towards them. The other Middle East countries might try to attack Israel while there is the big distraction of the Cold War going Hot.

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 blood reaper wrote:

But if they're going to add more factions, filling out the WARPAC would be important. For such a small nation, Bulgaria had quite a large military. The DPRK and China could be fascinating, though in both cases there's a strong chance Battlefront will be offering up more T-55 hordes.


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They've done about half of the Warsaw Pact. But they've also only done about half of NATO. Turkey *might* show up in Oil War (it borders Syria), but we're likely not going to see Greece, Italy, Spain, etc... for a while yet.

Considering how in modern times, Brazil and India (along with Germany and Japan) are gunning for some permanent seats on the UNSC, those two countries could be seen as the major players of the NAM organization.


India had close ties with the Soviet Union at the time. It also had (and still has...) long-standing border disputes with China. There have been a number of clashes over the years between the PLA and the Indian Army, including an actual war (albeit a short one - it basically occurred at the same time as the Cuban Missile Crisis) in 1962. I could see India starting a war to get back territory that it lost in 1962 if China's attention is turned elsewhere.
   
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I’m uncertain how heretical this is, because it isn’t something from Team Yankee, but...

I want Wolverines. Or, put another way, “American Partisans.” Gents in trucker hats, boys from the football team, that girl that works at the Dairy Queen, all equipped with looted AKs and RPGs, maybe some support technicals made out of Ford and Chevy trucks.

It’s incredibly unrealistic, but the fantasy of Americans fighting off a Soviet invasion of the mainland ala the Afghanistan resistance would be very fun.
   
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It would make sense to expand Team Yankee beyond just the books and add other WW3 hypotheticals.

And it wouldn't really be unrealistic. In the event of an invasion or rebellion in the mainland US, anybody on the receiving end would in for one hell of a beating. If 3rd world uneducated, poorly equipped, insurgents in Afghanistan can kick around the US and Russia, nobody would have a chance in hell vs a population that much better armed, equipped, and educated.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
It would make sense to expand Team Yankee beyond just the books and add other WW3 hypotheticals.

And it wouldn't really be unrealistic. In the event of an invasion or rebellion in the mainland US, anybody on the receiving end would in for one hell of a beating. If 3rd world uneducated, poorly equipped, insurgents in Afghanistan can kick around the US and Russia, nobody would have a chance in hell vs a population that much better armed, equipped, and educated.


For an actual invasion of the US to occur, we would have to be living in a very different world. It's questionable whether even at its height the Soviet Union would have had the logistical capability to pull off something like that. And they would have had to keep it going for a while across the Atlantic because there wouldn't have been any way to draw supplies from the Western Hemisphere. The US had much greater cross-hemisphere logistical capability, and I've seen people question how smoothly the planned deployment of our stateside divisions to Europe would have been (and iirc, the first few of those divisions to arrive in Europe would have been using supplies and equipment that had been pre-deployed to Europe).

The US made the transfer of multiple divisions to the other side of the world look easy in both Gulf Wars.

But it isn't. And to be blunt, no other country in the world has ever had the logistical and transport capability and experience that the US does. To the best of my knowledge, pretty much everyone acknowledges that.


That doesn't mean that we won't eventually see a Fortress America setting. But it does mean that any such setting is probably going to be a ways down the line (particularly since Battlefront isn't an American company).


all equipped with looted AKs and RPGs


Looted RPGs, maybe. Looted AKs, not so much. You wouldn't need to loot them. There are a lot of civilian-owned guns in the US. Many of them are semi-automatic rifles. And it's *really* easy to convert a semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic rifle with a few tools and a little know-how. For that matter, give it a month or two and you'd probably have underground gun factories churning out sub-machine guns. They're disgustingly easy to make with parts found at your typical Home Depot-type of store. These days, the semi-automatic rifle of choice in the US is the AR-15, largely due to the sheer amount of (legal) customization that people can perform on them. But while I don't know myself, I've heard people suggest that back during the '80s, it was the semi-automatic versions of the AK that were more popular with civilians.

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you can pretty mutch rule out norway.
what we had at that time was 90mm m60, 105mm leo 1 and modified m24 chaffee(low recoil 90mm)
and these tanks allready exists in the nato force.

we has allways been more geard towards infantry and aerial forces then ground panzers so should norway be represented in TY it would be with planes or infantry.

however it could be an inntresting campain cenario to play, cuz would the russians had invaded north norway, they could have done it with more or less little panzer resistance.
soldier resistance would be high tough eventualy.
we was and still are 100% dependent on nato.

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Eumerin wrote:
For an actual invasion of the US to occur, we would have to be living in a very different world. It's questionable whether even at its height the Soviet Union would have had the logistical capability to pull off something like that.


Absolutely agreed, and that's why I imagine it isn't a compatible scenario with Team Yankee, which focuses on a more "realistic" Soviet invasion of eastern Europe.

To get to a Fortress America, you need a whole alternate timeline that allows the Soviets to have a capacity to wage war more in line with the worst fears of the United States than anything resembling reality. At a certain age you watch Red Dawn, and are like "Wait... the Cuban mountain division are parachuting into Colorado... why?"

If I were writing it, I think I'd go for a timeline where the United States has a People's Republic of Mexico on the border, providing troops and a place to mass troops for the Soviet forces to push north in an offensive into Texas. For even this to be plausible you need most of the US armed forces to be deployed to Europe, limiting US resistance to National Guard units and partisans with civilian weapons.

It's all worth it for the visual of T-72s rolling past a movie theater showing Rocky IV, where Freedom Fighters and Free Mexico insurgents are hunkered down, coordinating with what's left of the Air reserve for a strike on the armored column as soon as the civilians take out that Shilka in the Kentucky Fried Chicken parking lot...

Eumerin wrote:
Looted RPGs, maybe. Looted AKs, not so much. You wouldn't need to loot them. There are a lot of civilian-owned guns in the US.


No doubt, I think we're well equipped to fight off anything short of armored units in America, and our actual armed forces are so effective I doubt they would honestly need the civilian help. But it's still fun to imagine the local mill workers sporting banners that read "Better dead than red!" leading the resistance for a free 'merica!


   
 
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