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With the Primarchs coming back, and Luther escaping the Rock, who else wants to see a release of the Fallen? I wouldn't mind collecting them if GW release them, which I think they probably will.

I think it's possible, but they seem to have a lot on their plate at the moment. There's still GSC, SoB, and potentially EC and World Eaters ahead of a Fallen release. Unless they just stick with the DA veterans as the infantry and just allow them some other bits from the existing range.

I’d like to see them released as a faction with a couple of models, Luther and a character but then encourage conversions after that. Their would have to a good fluff reason that they were fighting together regularly in numbers now rather than spread out.

You're better off just running Fallen as Counts-As Dark Angels.

Not really. They aren't distinct enough as an army to have a new model range and I don't think they work as a playable army anyway.

I could see Luther getting a model, either 30k or 40k but the fallen are pretty much covered between the DA and CSM codexes.

It's another "closed door" and will probably remain as such until if/when The Lion returns.

I think the question is "would this sell eneugh?"

BrianDavion wrote:
I think the question is "would this sell eneugh?"

Depends how GW did them, if they made them unique and give them lots of flavour instead of being just spikey DA's, I'd definitely collect them. I was always on Zahariel and Luthers side. They could make them styled in GC armour etc. which I would love, I love the old legions far more than chapters. Plus they'd be far cooler as a Chaos army as they have their own style, not as obviously spikey as the big four legions. Plus I'm sure DA fans would love a good thematic match against their nemesis.

I could easily see them being released with another CSM or DA release. A few models and rules to go along with another, much larger release.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I think the question is "would this sell eneugh?"

Depends how GW did them, if they made them unique and give them lots of flavour instead of being just spikey DA's, I'd definitely collect them. I was always on Zahariel and Luthers side. They could make them styled in GC armour etc. which I would love, I love the old legions far more than chapters. Plus they'd be far cooler as a Chaos army as they have their own style, not as obviously spikey as the big four legions. Plus I'm sure DA fans would love a good thematic match against their nemesis.

What you on about chaos army???? Luther and co were the loyal good guys. That Johnson was the traitor!

The reason I doubt we would see an extensive fallen release is GW clearly wants to push the newer size marine models, whether they be Primaris, DG or even Rubrics. All three a bit bigger than the older SM/CSM. The fallen have to be in the older scale to make sense, in particular they should be in older marks of armor with a lot of mismatched armor sets.

They might get a quick and dirty rule set at some point but I don't see a big release.

Some what unrelated questions. Has there been any follow up on what cypher is doing. He's been free on Terra for nearly a century but I don't remembering any follow up.

theyre too small a faction. I could see him maybe getting a HH character release, but not mainstream gaming models.





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HoundsofDemos wrote:
The reason I doubt we would see an extensive fallen release is GW clearly wants to push the newer size marine models, whether they be Primaris, DG or even Rubrics. All three a bit bigger than the older SM/CSM. The fallen have to be in the older scale to make sense, in particular they should be in older marks of armor with a lot of mismatched armor sets.

They might get a quick and dirty rule set at some point but I don't see a big release.

Some what unrelated questions. Has there been any follow up on what cypher is doing. He's been free on Terra for nearly a century but I don't remembering any follow up.

why? any newer releases are going to have the scale creep regardless. they wont offer any explanations, and in my opinion they dont really need to, the models are just bigger.

All they have to do is make them taller, like they did with the Deathwatch, Rubric Marines, and the two Chaos Space Marine sculpts in that new Blackstone Fortress game.

My pet theory is that the Fallen were the loyalists on Johnson’s side. They reached Caliban, still wearing black, and fought against Luther’s green-clad traitors. At the crescendo of the Lion’s duel against Luther, Chaos enveloped the world and started to drag the loyalists - the Lion included - into a warp rift. In his moment of victory, however, Luther went mad with regret. The surviving traitors realized that they, too, had been tricked, used by the powers of the warp. They renewed their vows to the Imperium, and when a reinforcing fleet arrived they claimed to have been the loyalists all along. They keep Luther in stasis so he doesn’t say anything incriminating, and that’s also why they’re so desperate to hunt down the “Fallen”. And wen they say they want them to repent (both Luther and the Fallen), they mean they want to break them to the point that they’ll tell the right story and genuinely think it’s the real one.

In real-world terms, that allows GW to write a campaign book or two about the Fallen and maybe the Inquisition (and why not, the Space Wolves) going to war against the Dark Angels and their successor chapters. I don’t know that I like any of the potential outcomes, though. Not that I’ve spent much time trying to think of one, but it’d be easier to alienate players than to create something interesting.

Andykp wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I think the question is "would this sell eneugh?"

Depends how GW did them, if they made them unique and give them lots of flavour instead of being just spikey DA's, I'd definitely collect them. I was always on Zahariel and Luthers side. They could make them styled in GC armour etc. which I would love, I love the old legions far more than chapters. Plus they'd be far cooler as a Chaos army as they have their own style, not as obviously spikey as the big four legions. Plus I'm sure DA fans would love a good thematic match against their nemesis.

What you on about chaos army???? Luther and co were the loyal good guys. That Johnson was the traitor!

Nah I'm a Chaos follower, they are loyal to us.


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HoundsofDemos wrote:
The reason I doubt we would see an extensive fallen release is GW clearly wants to push the newer size marine models, whether they be Primaris, DG or even Rubrics. All three a bit bigger than the older SM/CSM. The fallen have to be in the older scale to make sense, in particular they should be in older marks of armor with a lot of mismatched armor sets.

They might get a quick and dirty rule set at some point but I don't see a big release.

Some what unrelated questions. Has there been any follow up on what cypher is doing. He's been free on Terra for nearly a century but I don't remembering any follow up.

They'd be CSM size, just a bit shorter than Primaris.

Last time I checked, CSM models are the same size as older marines unless GW is going to magically retcon that and pretend that the HH was fought by Primaris marines.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Last time I checked, CSM models are the same size as older marines unless GW is going to magically retcon that and pretend that the HH was fought by Primaris marines.

Yeah but they are up-scaling the size, have you not seen the new DG models?

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Last time I checked, CSM models are the same size as older marines unless GW is going to magically retcon that and pretend that the HH was fought by Primaris marines.

Thats what I think. Once primaris are fully phased in to all units, the old armour will just be written about as that..merely an old mark of armour, not a smaller variant of armour. I honestly dont know why GW are bothering to make up primaris lore. just phase them in and be done with it.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Last time I checked, CSM models are the same size as older marines unless GW is going to magically retcon that and pretend that the HH was fought by Primaris marines.

Death Guard and Thousand Sons have been quite a bit larger than the older CSM releases. It makes sense that other new Chaos Marine releases are going to follow the same pattern.

I’d probably like Primaris more if they were just a new suit of armor instead of marines +1. Which is something everyone but the emperor has failed to do in a stable way.

As for bringing Luther and the Fallen back as a faction, that would be pretty awesome, even if only Luther got an official model. TBH they could be like the traitor version of Legion of the Damned almost, showing up out of nowhere is a mysterious goal and vanishing just as quickly.

 agurus1 wrote:
I’d probably like Primaris more if they were just a new suit of armor instead of marines +1. Which is something everyone but the emperor has failed to do in a stable way.

As for bringing Luther and the Fallen back as a faction, that would be pretty awesome, even if only Luther got an official model. TBH they could be like the traitor version of Legion of the Damned almost, showing up out of nowhere is a mysterious goal and vanishing just as quickly.

That's what I wished they were, Primaris is the worst lore/army concept ever, totally unnecessary.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 agurus1 wrote:
I’d probably like Primaris more if they were just a new suit of armor instead of marines +1. Which is something everyone but the emperor has failed to do in a stable way.

As for bringing Luther and the Fallen back as a faction, that would be pretty awesome, even if only Luther got an official model. TBH they could be like the traitor version of Legion of the Damned almost, showing up out of nowhere is a mysterious goal and vanishing just as quickly.

That's what I wished they were, Primaris is the worst lore/army concept ever, totally unnecessary.

jesus christ people can we not derail EVERY thread ever made about space marines with the "I hate primaris complain fest"

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 agurus1 wrote:
I’d probably like Primaris more if they were just a new suit of armor instead of marines +1. Which is something everyone but the emperor has failed to do in a stable way.

As for bringing Luther and the Fallen back as a faction, that would be pretty awesome, even if only Luther got an official model. TBH they could be like the traitor version of Legion of the Damned almost, showing up out of nowhere is a mysterious goal and vanishing just as quickly.

That's what I wished they were, Primaris is the worst lore/army concept ever, totally unnecessary.

jesus christ people can we not derail EVERY thread ever made about space marines with the "I hate primaris complain fest"

I didn’t say I hated them, I just would like them more if they were a new armor instead of Mainers +1. Tbh they don’t even really affect me since I play purely 30k anyway.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Last time I checked, CSM models are the same size as older marines unless GW is going to magically retcon that and pretend that the HH was fought by Primaris marines.

Yeah but they are up-scaling the size, have you not seen the new DG models?

I'm actually ok with the cult troops being a bit bigger, if anyone should be big and fat it's DG. I just hate that GW combined awesome models in the Primaris with such garbage fluff and (even for them) such a transparent marketing ploy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/20/20th-mar-vigilus-ablaze-previews-renegade-chapters-and-fallengw-homepage-post-3/



The Fallen and Cypher (Probably...) have arrived on Vigilus. What about Luther?...

Honestly I've never felt Fallen work as a playable faction so I'm fine without them.

pm713 wrote:
Honestly I've never felt Fallen work as a playable faction so I'm fine without them.

Agreed. Lone wanderers. Perhaps mercenary. Occasional anti hero. Clad in black and red. Most famously with dual pistols and epic sword...

Wait, is Cypher Deadpool!?

pm713 wrote:
Honestly I've never felt Fallen work as a playable faction so I'm fine without them.

Completely agree, though the new specialist detachment and keyword rules might help with this. I can't help but be excited that the Vigilus story might give us some more insight as to the truth behind the motivations of some of these characters. With the knowledge that Luther has escaped, the Lion being fully healed, and Cypher and the Fallen taking "a pivotal role in the plot of the story on Vigilus," I'm hopeful that we get some cool new insights.

Omigosh! Is Luthor going to lead the Fallen in a way that saves Vigilus from catastrophe, be granted redemption by Big Bobby G, earning the Dark Angels """""""Chapter/descendants""""""" the new collective title of 'The Forgiven'.

I can almost smell the Dark Angel fanboy rage now !

Imagine when Lion wakes up and finds Roboute forgave Luthor!

pm713 wrote:
Honestly I've never felt Fallen work as a playable faction so I'm fine without them.

What are you talking about, they've had fully fledged Codexes since 2nd edition!