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The wording on this rule is typical gw.

"Before you shoot roll 2d6 to determine the strength and use the rolled value for all shots" is basically what it says. Nothing about "till the end of phase" or "for this turn" just for "all shots".

Well. Does that mean RAW I only get to roll once per battle for the strength value of the shokk attack gun? That'd be pretty fethd up. The intention is to roll every time you shoot I guess but really poor choice of words there.

Morkphoiz wrote:
The wording on this rule is typical gw.

"Before you shoot roll 2d6 to determine the strength and use the rolled value for all shots" is basically what it says. Nothing about "till the end of phase" or "for this turn" just for "all shots".

Well. Does that mean RAW I only get to roll once per battle for the strength value of the shokk attack gun? That'd be pretty fethd up. The intention is to roll every time you shoot I guess but really poor choice of words there.

Rulebook has you covered.

Page 175, BRB Modifying Characteristics Sidebar wrote:You may encounter a characteristic that is a random value instead of a number. For example, a Move characteristic might be 2D6", or an Attacks value might be D6. When a unit with a random Move characteristic is selected to move, determine the entire unit’s move distance by rolling the indicated number of dice (pg 176). For all other characteristics, roll to determine the value on an individual – per-model – basis each time the unit makes attacks, inflicts damage, and so on.

A random characteristic is determined whenever it's used, not just once per battle (unless another rule says otherwise).
And yes, the Type of a weapon is what determines the number of attacks it gets, and Type is indeed a characteristic.

Page 175, BRB wrote:8. Weapons
The weapons that a unit comes equipped with are described using a set of characteristics as follows:

Well. The weapon datasheet explicitly says: "Before firing this weapon, roll once to determine the Strength of all its shots"

Thats a direct quote right there. Not sure if the rulebook applies here.

Morkphoiz wrote:
Well. The weapon datasheet explicitly says: "Before firing this weapon, roll once to determine the Strength of all its shots"

Thats a direct quote right there. Not sure if the rulebook applies here.

And you roll once before firing the weapon. then if you go to fire the weapon again, you have to again roll once.

RAW "all shots" obviously means that any subsequent roll will retroactively affect shots fired in the previous turns.

Alternatively "all shots" might just be GW trying to tell you you don't roll for each of the D6 shots seperately.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
RAW "all shots" obviously means that any subsequent roll will retroactively affect shots fired in the previous turns.

Incorrect. In context "all shots" is referring to the shots you are currently making when firing the gun in that specific instance for any given attack.

Alternatively "all shots" might just be GW trying to tell you you don't roll for each of the D6 shots seperately[sic].

It clearly means all shots fired from the weapon for a particular attack.

Morkphoiz wrote:
Well. The weapon datasheet explicitly says: "Before firing this weapon, roll once to determine the Strength of all its shots"

Thats a direct quote right there. Not sure if the rulebook applies here.

Yep. And what gives you permission/forces you to skip that next time you shoot?

Answer: Nothing. You shoot, it's that S. Next time, you have to roll again so that's the new S.

Guess if you don't shoot for some reason say next turn but for some reason(not with shooting) you need S of weapon you would still use previous S but don't think any such rule exists at least yet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
RAW "all shots" obviously means that any subsequent roll will retroactively affect shots fired in the previous turns..

Yes, that's clearly what it means. Any ork player who doesn't bring a time machine to their games is a stinking cheater.




The thread appears to have arrived at a more practical answer, though, so I think we can shut this one down.