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Hi guys,

here are restrictions:

750 pts max, 2 detachment max, no special characters ( pask, abbadon etc ), no LoW, no FW, no doubles datasheet except in troops sloot ( max 1 deamon prince for example ), max 250 pts per single unit.

My idea:


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [48 PL, 750pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic)

Legion: Alpha Legion

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, 76pts]: Blade of the Hydra, Chainsword, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Daemon Prince [8 PL, 159pts]: I am Alpharius, Intoxicating Elixir, Malefic talon, Warlord, Warp bolter
. Slaanesh: Warptime

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [9 PL, 96pts]: 23x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Heavy Support +

Havocs [10 PL, 144pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Havoc w/ boltgun
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh,

++ Total: [48 PL, 750pts] ++

What do you think? Any ideas about this small format?

Interesting format...

I'd maybe not be running a battalion tbh... 750pts isnt a lot and those smaller cultist squads look frightfully squishy.

maybe run a spearhead? you're lacking anti-tank bro for a game this size; my 750pts list brings 3 transports... and dreadnoughts aren't gonna be uncommon at this bracket?

 GamerGuy wrote:
Interesting format...

I'd maybe not be running a battalion tbh... 750pts isnt a lot and those smaller cultist squads look frightfully squishy.

maybe run a spearhead? you're lacking anti-tank bro for a game this size; my 750pts list brings 3 transports... and dreadnoughts aren't gonna be uncommon at this bracket?

with his ammount of CP he can abuse VotLW on his havocs, aswell as cacophony his obliterators. Atleast that seems his core concept for AT.
I don't quite see the need for warptime over deathhex or prescience on the daemonprince though.
Maybee i would replace the heavy bolter with autocannons.

With a Blade of the Hydra Lord, I would consider giving him the Flames of Spite Warlord trait. He has a bucket of attacks, and with Mark of Khorne can potentially double it. Then you can use Veterans of the Long War to get mortal wounds on a 5+. Its a neat combo that works pretty well with a chaos lord getting 4+d3+1 attacks per round.

I agree with others regarding the hesitation around a Batallion. Really you have over 30% of your points locked up in two models. Sure they are good units in their own right, but ultimately I feel that your list would be stronger with only one supporting character and more big guns.

I would think you would be better off with a Spearhead or a Vanguard detachment with one supporting character.

Thx for feedback!

I think battalion here is much better thanks to abusing powerful stratgems like Cac. and Votlw.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [44 PL, 750pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic)

Legion: Alpha Legion

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, 74pts]: Blade of the Hydra, Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Mark of Khorne

Daemon Prince [8 PL, 156pts]: 2. Flames of Spite, Intoxicating Elixir, Malefic talon, Slaanesh, Warlord

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Elites +

Khorne Berzerkers [5 PL, 85pts]
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Chainsword
. 4x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 4x Chainaxe

+ Heavy Support +

Havocs [7 PL, 120pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

++ Total: [44 PL, 750pts] ++

I menaged to squize small unit of zerkers into it. Do you like this change?

Nizrah wrote:
Thx for feedback!

I think battalion here is much better thanks to abusing powerful stratgems like Cac. and Votlw.

Okay, here is your problem. Lets lay it out like this. You are spending 350 points on that Lord, Daemon Prince, and 30 cultists. That is 46% of your list. You are devoting 46% of your list to fueling stratagems. Synergy is important... but... at some point you need to make sure you have enough guns on the table before you actually start benefiting from synergy pieces.

This is especially true since you are essentially playing a Slaaneshi gunline. IE you are relying almost entirely on the ranged damage potential of Havocs and Obliterators souped up with Endless Cacophony and Veterans of the Long War. Realistically your Daemon Prince is a support / counter charge piece, because you don't have enough melee forward elements to provide proper cover for an advance, and Princes are pretty frail when they are able to be targeted. Lets face it, 10 man Cultists Squads are only good for taking up board space and denying enemy deep strikers / claiming objectives. You need blocks of at least 30 strong before they can become a credible threat or it becomes worth using stratagems like Endless Cacophony, Veterans, or Tide of Traitors on them.

So you've got a gunline, which consists of... 5 Marine models who immediately start bleeding heavy weapons after the first casualty. , and some Obliterators, but if you put them in reserve they may not come in for two turns if your opponent gets first turn and if you start them on the table they may not have any good targets in their 24 inch range. The Berzerkers aren't going to do you any good, as you have no way to get them up the field quickly, especially after the big FAQ nerfed the Alpha legion infiltrate Strategem. For the Zerkers to work your opponent needs to either deploy overly aggressive, or be coming directly towards you.

This is what i'm saying. At 750 points, you can't afford to spend 350 points on generating CP and a few counter charge units with no real reliable way to close with the enemy. Sure each individual shooting unit you have will be less effective when not fueled by CP, but at this points level it is more important to just get more guns onto the field, and make careful decisions rationing what CP you do have. As it stands, you basically auto lose to an opposing ranged heavy list, as long as they can kill 5 MEQ Bodies in a turn- which Eldar and Guard should by no means struggle to do. To really succeed at the very low point game level you want to basically cram as much killing power into your list as possible and worry about synergy second. Synergy and various buffs are much more potent after you have enough killing power in your list, and relatively useless if you lack the necessary killing power to make those worth it.

Okay you have a quite good point. Since i cant double datasheet, the direction i can go is vanguard det. and predator (?)


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [43 PL, 748pts] ++


Legion: Alpha Legion

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince [8 PL, 156pts]: 2. Flames of Spite, Intoxicating Elixir, Malefic talon, Slaanesh, Warlord

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 72pts]: 17x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Predator [9 PL, 161pts]: Havoc launcher, Mark of Slaanesh, Predator autocannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Havocs [10 PL, 164pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Havoc w/ boltgun
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon
. Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Autocannon

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

++ Total: [43 PL, 748pts] ++

yes! See, I like this list a lot more. And remember its not like you are without synergy, you still have the re-roll 1s aura and any psychic support coming from the Prince. Except now you have more long range fire power, and you have that big unit of cultists which can screen for you.

The only question is do you take Delightful Agonies to boost your Predator or Havocs durability, or do you take Prescience to further make your delightful agonies target effective.

I think the list you posted with the Pred has much better matcups at this point level on the whole.