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Hi was wondering what the optimum units were for a Guilliman castle and where the best positions were to place said units around Guilliman were.

Basically given the fact that how fragile and overcosted the Space Marines are, and how fast and killy the other competitive many other codexes have got. There is no "powerful"/"competitive" Guilliman castle any more.

However, some units are relatively more efficient when put near to the primarch. Which are discussed many times over, just simply lusted here for your reference.

Devastators, w HB, Plasma, ML or Lascannon, the ML and HB can also contribute more with MW stratagem.

Hellblasters, needless to say. Very powerful AT units under the buff of Gman and when they walk in 15" range so long as those Tanks/MCs are not T8 yet and do not have 4++ or better inv saves.

Aggressors, if you face combat hordes, this units may heavily deplete a 30 strong lightly armored low Toughness unit under the buff of Gman.

Ancient with the relic banner is probably also a must here. So if your guys are dead, they can at least do something instead of doing nothing.

AsC Razorback spam was once good with Gman castle, but are outdated when receive pts increase owing to its former glory. However imo it was never that kind of OP as the internet had claimed. Since it can be shut down for the entire game when being charged and as long as a couple of enemy models charging in survives till the start of your turn. This deficiency is amplified by the fact that its main gun are only 24" range, plus with the codexes buff in other army, many of them are now having a reliable 24"+ charging threat range, i.e. the RBs may only shot once for the entire game and those with penalty to hit.

In regard to this issue, I recommend Repulsor built with all those mini-guns to replace the RB. Its 3 main guns raw firepower is already similar to 2 RBs, but with longer range, no penalty to hit due to moving. And the platform is harder to kill as well as cannot be silenced in combat, and reduce enemy charging dustances by 2!!!

From memory razorbacks or any other anti tank unit with long range. The best positions are probably one that has at least one model being close to the enemy than guilliman at all times.

You want something with either very high quality or quantity. Either works. With quality, you have excellent anti-tank. With quantity, anti horde.

So, Hellblasters, Aggressors, Devastators, 10 Man Intercessor Squads, AssCan Backs, Repulsors, Redemptors, Fire Raptors and Stormravens are good too. Those FW Drednaughts with the Storm Cannon Arrays are also excellent.

However, its no guarantee of a win. Its not as good as it once was.

Right now... Repulsors, the dakka variant.
Tons of firepower, can down even knights with sheer numbers.

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Basically given the fact that how fragile and overcosted the Space Marines are, and how fast and killy the other competitive many other codexes have got. There is no "powerful"/"competitive" Guilliman castle any more.

Utter garbage. The Guilli gunline is still a very capable list. It's no longer stupid, so make sure you take board control elements too.

Read Nick Nanavati or Reece Robins breakdown of the army if you want more qualified opinions on it than you will find here on dakka.

Guilliman's castle is still very competitive. Of couse SM can ally everything and make better lists since that ultramarines one needs a lot of points invested around Guilliman and what should be placed near him.

It's very boring to play, and SM can have more efficient lists using allies but it's still very powerful.

Always wondered how he'd do leading an all dreadnought army, as it feels like a waste keeping him tucked away across the board.
Redemptors or contemptors match his movement well enough allowing it to become "guilliman's moving castle". They would also benefit from rerolls in both ranged and melee and match his toughness making target priority a bit of a pain for weapon types rather than having all the big guns going for the big man and the small arms at the infantry.
I think the biggest problem with this idea would be with dealing with hordes, Redemptors can put down a reasonable number of heavy bolter shots but would then be relying on melee for anti tank.

ragnorack1 wrote:
Always wondered how he'd do leading an all dreadnought army, as it feels like a waste keeping him tucked away across the board.
Redemptors or contemptors match his movement well enough allowing it to become "guilliman's moving castle". They would also benefit from rerolls in both ranged and melee and match his toughness making target priority a bit of a pain for weapon types rather than having all the big guns going for the big man and the small arms at the infantry.
I think the biggest problem with this idea would be with dealing with hordes, Redemptors can put down a reasonable number of heavy bolter shots but would then be relying on melee for anti tank.

Heard that Repulsor going to get a point drop. So, if taking about Guilliman castle, he is one good candidate.

Today in my local tournament, Repulsor paired with Guilliman, killed 2 IKs in shooting and combat. Each time the Repulsor drop the IK down to somewhere like 15W - 16W with all the dakka, tgen Guilliman goes up and finish it off.