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A very interesting line of thought I encountered some time ago sufpggested western civillization was the direct result of the black death and it's after effects. It helped break the power of the church over society and helped break the time of feudal lrds and serfs by killing so many peolle that the lords no longer had overwhelming force of men at arms to impose their will, and making human labor a scarce, therefore valuable commodity that commanded higher wages. One way to offset the reduced number of workers was to let peolle specialize in what they had natural aptitudes for, which created trades men who we're far more productive at a specific task than a number of unskilled peolle would be. They commanded higher wages and more respect therefore.

Secialized trades lead to specialized tools and trainings which lead to more education, higher degrees of literacy, etc. One fact cannot be denied, the rennisance followed the black plague.

Here are a couple articles which might make you think this issue over, itcs quite interesting to wonder if the black plague created western culture as it was later known. Maybe we all owe papa nurgle some begrudging thanks...


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071206072342AA3UDPo


https://www.philforhumanity.com/Black_Death.html

It's pretty well explained and demonstrated in the above discussions the black plague empowered the lower and working classes, created a new socio economic paradigm and lead to an age of abundance and leisure time that very likely created the rennisance.

A good analysis.

In retrospect I should have asked if the black plague helped create modern western civillization. There seems to be agreement it helped.

Paringrine i'm not even reading your post sanymore all you've done since you started replying to my posts is treadcrap them and I'm sick of it and you. I can for see nothing you could post I'd want to read. I'm sure you just took a pompous dump on my post and am not interested in seeing it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Man, the anti-vaccer apologists are finding really interesting new angles

Nooo, I'm no anti vaxxer. Plus do we even have a vaccine for the black plague today? If so, GIMME!

I'm not saying the plague was good, it had side effects that created what may be a positive result by many views. Sometimes terrible events do have positive after effects. A terrible forest fire can clear out old, choked growth and pave the way for new and more vital ecosystems to take it's place. Still sucked for the old forest.

The devastation of europe and japan in ww2 allowed new cities to be built with solid, forward looking planning rather than being haphazard growths that were unplanned and chaotic like old cities sometimes were. Wouldn;t want t go thru the blitz tho...

it's an interesting idea to consider ,but the plague is still not anything we should give thanks for.