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Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
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Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
As I suspected, it's soviet. Only they made treds with wheels that large.
Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
As I suspected, it's soviet. Only they made treds with wheels that large.
It's WWII Soviet. It doesn't look like it has a turret, so it's one of these: SU-85, SU-100, SU-122, or SU-152. They were tank destroyers/assault guns.
Looks like it has a sloped front, so probably an 85 or 100.
But if you could pull it out so we can see the front/gun we'll be able to tell you exactly wich it is.
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Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
As I suspected, it's soviet. Only they made treds with wheels that large.
It's WWII Soviet. It doesn't look like it has a turret, so it's one of these: SU-85, SU-100, SU-122, or SU-152. They were tank destroyers/assault guns.
Looks like it has a sloped front, so probably an 85 or 100.
But if you could pull it out so we can see the front/gun we'll be able to tell you exactly wich it is.
Sure. I pick up the lot tomorrow and will post pics as soon as I am able.
My guess is there's some conversion work. Still interested in knowing what it was originally.
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I don't want the best army, just one that isn't an exercise in picking up my models by turn 3.
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Badablack wrote: 40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
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Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
As I suspected, it's soviet. Only they made treds with wheels that large.
While the vehicle in question is indeed soviet, the Germans and British also made use of large road wheels with the tracks returning on the top side of them. The big cats and the cromwell come to mind.
Anyway, that specific model looks like it's in 1/35 scale. It's pretty large for 28mm Wargaming; Bolt Action is in 1/56 scale, IIRC. If I were to take a blind guess, I'd say it might be http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/35072su85/index.htm . Does it have wierd rubber-belt tracks?
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
As I suspected, it's soviet. Only they made treds with wheels that large.
While the vehicle in question is indeed soviet, the Germans and British also made use of large road wheels with the tracks returning on the top side of them. The big cats and the cromwell come to mind.
Anyway, that specific model looks like it's in 1/35 scale. It's pretty large for 28mm Wargaming; Bolt Action is in 1/56 scale, IIRC. If I were to take a blind guess, I'd say it might be http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/35072su85/index.htm . Does it have wierd rubber-belt tracks?
Thanks for the heads up.
Definitely not GW. It does indeed have weird rubbery tracks, they are frayed in a couple places.
Picked up the tank today. Here's a picture.
Comes close to some of the ones shared. The cannon on the front appears to be a conversion, but I'm not 100% sure. There's a tiny piece of tread over the top of it, otherwise it would have a channel for elevation.
Looking at it, wondering what it was used to proxy.
Neophyte2012 wrote: Base on the hull image of this tank, it seems not a Warhammer 40k tank model, this one is a World War II tank, exact model is SU-122 self propelled gun or SU-85 / SU-100 Tank Destroyer. The wheels and its forebody revealed its identity.
As I suspected, it's soviet. Only they made treds with wheels that large.
While the vehicle in question is indeed soviet, the Germans and British also made use of large road wheels with the tracks returning on the top side of them. The big cats and the cromwell come to mind.
Anyway, that specific model looks like it's in 1/35 scale. It's pretty large for 28mm Wargaming; Bolt Action is in 1/56 scale, IIRC. If I were to take a blind guess, I'd say it might be http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/35072su85/index.htm . Does it have wierd rubber-belt tracks?
Thanks for the heads up.
Definitely not GW. It does indeed have weird rubbery tracks, they are frayed in a couple places.
Picked up the tank today. Here's a picture.
Comes close to some of the ones shared. The cannon on the front appears to be a conversion, but I'm not 100% sure. There's a tiny piece of tread over the top of it, otherwise it would have a channel for elevation.
Looking at it, wondering what it was used to proxy.
I have an T-34/76 that's got the wierd rubber-band tracks like that, and was kind of unsatisfied with it. I think they're like that so it can be motorized, but they look kind of bad.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
its the Russian su-120
very big gun would make a great tank destroyer conversion of the forge world variant of a tank destroyer.
I know as ive seen the actual tank real life
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The flesh tearers really like killing so much. In fact they may love it more than inquisitors.
I have an T-34/76 that's got the wierd rubber-band tracks like that, and was kind of unsatisfied with it. I think they're like that so it can be motorized, but they look kind of bad.
You may have it. There's a hatch on the top left in the right position.
Now I get to figure out what all the troops are. Appear to be different generations of GW guard.
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Looks like most of them are old (3rd-4th edition ish) Storm Troopers. I assume they are metal. The others look like Armageddon Steel legion. I think some of the officers are Tallarn.
I have an T-34/76 that's got the wierd rubber-band tracks like that, and was kind of unsatisfied with it. I think they're like that so it can be motorized, but they look kind of bad.
You may have it. There's a hatch on the top left in the right position.
Now I get to figure out what all the troops are. Appear to be different generations of GW guard.
You have:
1st pic, left to right:
1 Tallarn officer with boltgun, 2 steel legion with grenade launchers, 2 2nd gen storm troopers with grenade launchers, 3 catachan snipers,
2nd pic, left to right, each row bottom to top:
1 2nd gen storm trooper sgt/officer with sword, 6 steel legion with lasguns, 6 2nd gen storm troopers with hotshots, 6 more of the same, 1 2nd gen stormtrooper with hotshot, 4 steel legion with lasguns, 1 tallarn with lasgun throwing grenade, & 2 steel legion missle launcher back by the glass.
3rd pic, left to right, bottom to top:
1 Tallarn sgt with plasma pistol, 2 2nd gen stormtroopers (one with a melta, one with a flamer), 1 Tallarn with plasma, 2 2nd gen stormtroopers with plasma, and finally a Cadian officer with a boltgun.
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Also the Su-120 could be converted into a cool recovery vehicle by chopping the gun off, and adding the GW crane to the front, etc.
Thanks everyone for the comments. Figuring out what all is there has been fun.
The total contents of the box is 40 troops, 3 Leman Russes, 3 Basilisks, 3 Chimeras, the Su-120, 6 Sentinels, 60 Warhammer High Elves, and a ton of bitz.
I'm stripping everything and now I have to figure out how to use all of them. I was thinking Tallarn for the tanks and Cadians for the troops. But now that I know what Regiment all the models are from, I don't know...
SU-122. It's a assault gun built on the T-34 chassis with a M-30 122mm howitzer.
I am lead to believe that the extra 2 mm of diameter on soviet artillery was to prevent the enemy from using their ammunition. I'm not wholly convinced of the veracity of that claim, though.
It would probably make a good Destroyer or Thunderer. It's kind of big, though. [Alternatively, you can paint it green and make a nice diorama with it]
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
ccs wrote: 3rd pic, left to right, bottom to top:
1 Tallarn sgt with plasma pistol, 2 2nd gen stormtroopers (one with a melta, one with a flamer), 1 Tallarn with plasma, 2 2nd gen stormtroopers with plasma, and finally a Cadian officer with a boltgun.
I agree with all of this, but the final mini is a catachan officer with boltgun, not a cadian. The second edition cadian officer had a shotgun, not a boltgun.
I am lead to believe that the extra 2 mm of diameter on soviet artillery was to prevent the enemy from using their ammunition. I'm not wholly convinced of the veracity of that claim, though.
It would probably make a good Destroyer or Thunderer. It's kind of big, though. [Alternatively, you can paint it green and make a nice diorama with it]
I think there wasn't that much thought put into the extra 2mm of diameter. The reason the Soviets used it is because they didn't have to retool the Tsarist factories that made the 122mm M1909 howitzer ammunition. The reason the Tsarists picked the 122mm probably has more to do with some belief about ballistics or shell design or something on the part of the original designer of the 122mm M1909, rather than specifically to prevent the enemy from using it. There weren't any 120mm guns in service at the same time, they were mostly 100s, 105s, etc. The Brits had a 114mm (4.5 inch) gun.
Russian guns actually designed under the Soviet Union tended to keep to fairly conventional calibres, though only measured in Imperial units. 76.2mm guns on their medium and early heavy tanks (as well as early SPGs and field artillery like the SU-76 and ZiS-3) were 3 inch guns, and the SU-152, and ISU-152 assault guns mounted the ML-20 152.4mm 6-inch gun. The KV-2 also had a 152.4mm 6-inch gun, though it was the M-10 howitzer instead of the ML-20. The reason these guns tended towards inches is they were pulled from naval gun designs, in order to use ammunition factories that were already producing 3 inch and 6 inch shells for the Navy.
When the Soviet Union had to design an entirely new type of gun (air defense artillery) they picked the nice, round calibre of 85mm. This also had similar capabilities to similarly-bored weapons such as the US's 90mm, Britain's 3.7-inch (94mm) and the German's 8.8cm.
/nitpick
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Yup. Then the Soviets followed with another nice metric set of 100 mm and 125 mm guns.
Also, word of caution, caliber in mm might be only slightly tied to reality and only indicate in what gun the bullet should be used, rather than real dimensions. See 9 mm Makarov vs 9 mm Parabellum - you'd think they are the same size, but the actual difference is something silly like half a mm and one would get hopelessly jammed in the other barrel, or fall out the front in the case of the other. Ditto for cannons, IIRC there were three common "76" mm guns that were nearly 4 mm apart...
I'd say, honestly, if you're not going to use them in a cohesive force that you're desperate to make - flog them on eBay and make some money on them...then buy whatever you want. However, if you feel compelled to use the basic minis, go nuts. These lines have all been officially discontinued by GW now so take that into consideration.
Elbows wrote: I'd say, honestly, if you're not going to use them in a cohesive force that you're desperate to make - flog them on eBay and make some money on them...then buy whatever you want. However, if you feel compelled to use the basic minis, go nuts. These lines have all been officially discontinued by GW now so take that into consideration.
Interesting thought. Going to dwell on it a little before deciding. Selling classic models always feels wrong to me...
And I wouldn't sell them if you have a passion for one of the regiments. But if it's more along the lines of "Well, they were in the box...guess I'll use them" - there are heaps of people out there who want the classic minis to use and model/paint/game with. If that puts money into your pocket for something you prefer...I don't see how it impacts anyone.
However, if you're a collector..then by all means keep them.
