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++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [52 PL, 843pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Catachan

+ HQ +

Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken [4 PL, 75pts]: Lead From the Front, Warlord

Sly Marbo [4 PL, 65pts]

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 45pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 45pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 45pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

+ Elites +

Platoon Commander [2 PL, 20pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol, The Laurels of Command

+ Fast Attack +

Hellhounds [18 PL, 309pts]
. Hellhound: Heavy Bolter, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon
. Hellhound: Heavy Bolter, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon
. Hellhound: Heavy Bolter, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

Wyverns [12 PL, 206pts]
. Wyvern: Heavy Bolter
. Wyvern: Heavy Bolter

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [37 PL, 609pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Catachan

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol

Primaris Psyker [2 PL, 46pts]: Force Stave, Mental Fortitude, Nightshroud

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 45pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 45pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 45pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Laspistol

+ Elites +

Sergeant Harker [3 PL, 50pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Hellhounds [18 PL, 315pts]
. Devil Dog: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Stubber, Turret-mounted Melta Cannon
. Devil Dog: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Stubber, Turret-mounted Melta Cannon
. Devil Dog: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Stubber, Turret-mounted Melta Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [30 PL, 548pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Catachan

+ Lord of War +

Hellhammer [30 PL, 548pts]: Autocannon, Demolisher cannon, Heavy Stubber, Twin heavy bolter
. 2 Lascannon & Twin Heavy Bolter Sponsons: 2x Lascannon, 2x Twin heavy bolter

++ Total: [119 PL, 2000pts] ++

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So the idea with this list was to make use of the catachan trait with as many random attack weapons as possible all while maintaining the heavy death world theme of the army. Instead of making use of bulky and heavy leman russ battle tanks, the 65th opts to take quicker, lighter and more maneuverable hellhounds, both for their smaller size and profile, and also for their deadly flamer and melta based weapons. As with most vienam era films, I've opted to make a lot more use of boots on the ground fighters, rather than putting them into transports.

Hellhammer because, hellhammer!

I'm hoping to test it out in some fun narrative style games.

Like the idea.

First I would suggest dropping all those vox casters. They are really a waste. If you want to spend points on your infantry, give your sergeants power swords.

Second, drop your mortars and try for another wyvern. They actually benefit from your doctrine. Keep Harker near then.

Third, drop the storm bolters and heavy stubbers on the vehicles. They will not be hitting effectively.

Fourth, consider running the Hellhounds as the artima pattern as they are cheaper and generally better.

Fifth, give your Hellhounds and devil dogs heavy flamers. The point savings for changing to artima should cover it.

Sixth, reorganize your list. You cannot use the doctrine in an auxiliary detatchment. Take a bunch of company commanders and psykers and run a supreme command detatchment instead.

Seventh, drop the platoon commanders. The extra company commanders will give you all the orders you need. Instead, run priests.

Eighth, your psykers should be running psychic barrier and nighshroud. They need to be casting on the super heavy every turn. The other powers are far less useful.

Ninth, don’t make Iron Hand the warlord. He is to big a target, and that trait is bad. Stick the warlord trait on one of the new company commanders, and stick him in the back so he won’t die. Make his trait old grudges and stick him next to the super heavy along with Harker.

Tenth, I know it isn’t the most fluffy, but consider running Lord Commissar instead of the psykers as they are cheaper and astropaths are generally better.

All hellhounds should be hellhounds, use track guards on them.

 p5freak wrote:
All hellhounds should be hellhounds, use track guards on them.

I don't understand what you mean by "all hellhounds should be hellhounds"

Meaning no devil dogs, no artemias. Just the hellhound variant, with trackguards.

 p5freak wrote:
Meaning no devil dogs, no artemias. Just the hellhound variant, with trackguards.

I have three of them, you can't have any more than that due to the rule of 3. Plus, what's wrong with having some melta support, it's good for taking down hefty big beasts!

Trak guards are neat! Good tip!

Data sheet allows for a unit to have 3 hellhounds and you’re allowed to have 3 units with the same data sheet. Hello 9 hellhounds. Also 9 Russ if you’re that way inclined which I personally am. Definitely track guard and heavy flamer as well.


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Data sheet allows for a unit to have 3 hellhounds and you’re allowed to have 3 units with the same data sheet. Hello 9 hellhounds. Also 9 Russ if you’re that way inclined which I personally am. Definitely track guard and heavy flamer as well.

 Togusa wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Meaning no devil dogs, no artemias. Just the hellhound variant, with trackguards.

I have three of them, you can't have any more than that due to the rule of 3. Plus, what's wrong with having some melta support, it's good for taking down hefty big beasts!

Trak guards are neat! Good tip!

The rule of 3 is NOT a matched play rule. Its a suggestion for organized play. You said you wanted to play some fun narrative style games. And melta sucks.

 p5freak wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Meaning no devil dogs, no artemias. Just the hellhound variant, with trackguards.

I have three of them, you can't have any more than that due to the rule of 3. Plus, what's wrong with having some melta support, it's good for taking down hefty big beasts!

Trak guards are neat! Good tip!

The rule of 3 is NOT a matched play rule. Its a suggestion for organized play. You said you wanted to play some fun narrative style games. And melta sucks.

What's wrong with the melta?? I use it a lot and it's hella fun. It's a great tool for rolling up and popping some big nasty your opponent has!

Beta rules are mandatory at my store, you won't get a game with a single person if you ask to ignore them. :/

 Togusa wrote:

What's wrong with the melta??

Expensive, short range. Plasma is better. Search dakkadakka for extensive discussions on plasma vs. melta.

 Togusa wrote:

Beta rules are mandatory at my store, you won't get a game with a single person if you ask to ignore them. :/

Well, if your store plays with the rule of three, then so be it. But the rule of 3 is NOT a beta rule, and its NOT a matched play rule.

 p5freak wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

What's wrong with the melta??

Expensive, short range. Plasma is better. Search dakkadakka for extensive discussions on plasma vs. melta.

 Togusa wrote:

Beta rules are mandatory at my store, you won't get a game with a single person if you ask to ignore them. :/

Well, if your store plays with the rule of three, then so be it. But the rule of 3 is NOT a beta rule, and its NOT a matched play rule.

Yeah, it would be hard to find, but as someone pointed out, these are squadronable, so I retooled the list, trying to maintain the fluff, the focus on the fun characters, while also balancing it out a bit. Keep in mind some of these points will drop so i will have to update it post Saturday.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [44 PL, 729pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Catachan

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 31pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword, Master of Command, The Laurels of Command, Warlord

Company Commander [2 PL, 35pts]: Boltgun, Power maul

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 48pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sergeant: Boltgun

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 48pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sergeant: Boltgun

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 48pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sergeant: Boltgun

+ Elites +

Master of Ordnance [2 PL, 30pts]

Special Weapons Squad [2 PL, 30pts]: 3x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Hellhounds [18 PL, 360pts]
. Hellhound: Heavy Flamer, Track guards, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon
. Hellhound: Heavy Flamer, Track guards, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon
. Hellhound: Heavy Flamer, Track guards, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts]
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [44 PL, 783pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Catachan

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 31pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword

Sly Marbo [4 PL, 65pts]

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 48pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sergeant: Boltgun

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 48pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sergeant: Boltgun

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 48pts]
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sergeant: Boltgun

+ Elites +

Sergeant Harker [3 PL, 50pts]

Special Weapons Squad [2 PL, 30pts]: 3x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Hellhounds [18 PL, 360pts]
. Hellhound: Heavy Flamer, Track guards, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon
. Hellhound: Heavy Flamer, Track guards, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon
. Hellhound: Heavy Flamer, Track guards, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Wyverns [6 PL, 103pts]
. Wyvern: Heavy Bolter

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [30 PL, 480pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Catachan

+ Lord of War +

Hellhammer [30 PL, 480pts]: Autocannon, Demolisher cannon, Heavy Stubber, Twin heavy bolter

++ Total: [118 PL, 1992pts] ++

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Does this look a bit more fun and balanced? too many company commanders?