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So I know that Long Fangs have been purged from the GW online store, not sure why, but that is a different discussion. When I was looking about, there were two datasheets I saw, that are not in the Space Wolves codex, but are in the Space Marines one.
Specifically, I was looking at the Centurion Devastator Squad and the Ironclad Dreadnought. Can I Space Wolf them up and use them in my army without penalty or would I need to take them in a separate detachment? Are the Long Fangs a better option over the Centurion Devastator Squad anyways? Should I just go with a Deredeo Dreadnought over the Ironclad even though it is Forgeworld over an actual Codex model?

Separate detachments required. If you put them on same detachment using adeptus astartes keyword(think that's legal) you lose chapter bonuses.

I suggest just use the body of the Space Wolves Pack box, and patch with the arm and weapons from Space Marine Devastator box.

As a long time SM collector, there are all kinds of spare marine portable heavy weapons in my possession even after I built a lot of Devastator. I tried they are perfectly fine to build SW Long Fangs. I hope you have them as well.

tneva82 wrote:
Separate detachments required. If you put them on same detachment using adeptus astartes keyword(think that's legal) you lose chapter bonuses.

In the Space Marines Codex under the Centurions it has Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, and <Chapter>. So even if the Chapter chosen is Space Wolves is still doesn't work? Seems not well thought out if so.

Buy regular SM devastators kits and paint them with the SW color schemes. They'd be perfectly WYSIWYG space wolves long fangs.

The grey hunters/blood claws kits also come with tons of bitz that you won't use for just the 10 dudes included in the box; use those bitz (pads, heads, knives...) to make the devastators look more wolfy.


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Neophyte2012 wrote:
I suggest just use the body of the Space Wolves Pack box, and patch with the arm and weapons from Space Marine Devastator box.

As a long time SM collector, there are all kinds of spare marine portable heavy weapons in my possession even after I built a lot of Devastator. I tried they are perfectly fine to build SW Long Fangs. I hope you have them as well.

That would be a waste. Just give spared SW pads and heads to the SM devastators. Worked for years with SM commanders and bikers since we never had official models of footslogging Wolf Lords, Priests and Battle Leaders, Wolf Guard on bikes or Swiftclaws.

What happened to the Long Fang kit?

The point of the thread isn't how to WYSIWYG Long Fangs from Devastators, I know, and have done that. The point of the thread is the Centurion Devastator Squad and Ironclad Dreadnought, they have the <Chapter> keyword, so if that Chapter is Space Wolves, can they then be used in a Space Wolves detachment without penalty?

CelticKodiak wrote:
The point of the thread isn't how to WYSIWYG Long Fangs from Devastators, I know, and have done that. The point of the thread is the Centurion Devastator Squad and Ironclad Dreadnought, they have the <Chapter> keyword, so if that Chapter is Space Wolves, can they then be used in a Space Wolves detachment without penalty?

No. The only things that have the SPACE WOLVES keyword are the things in the Space Wolves codex.

I think this is clarified in one of the FAQ's.


All things considered, I think Long Fangs are better anyway.

pm713 wrote:
What happened to the Long Fang kit?

The simple answer? GW likes money. The long answer? GW doesn't want you to kit bash with Orks, Chaos, or anyone else you can do it with, but then for some reason finds it acceptable with the Long Fangs, and forces you to do so by removing the Long Fangs models from their online store.

CelticKodiak wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What happened to the Long Fang kit?

The simple answer? GW likes money. The long answer? GW doesn't want you to kit bash with Orks, Chaos, or anyone else you can do it with, but then for some reason finds it acceptable with the Long Fangs, and forces you to do so by removing the Long Fangs models from their online store.

Long Fangs are just Space Wolf Devastators. They're literally an identical unit.

Kitbashing them would require them to be different in the first place.

CelticKodiak wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What happened to the Long Fang kit?

The simple answer? GW likes money. The long answer? GW doesn't want you to kit bash with Orks, Chaos, or anyone else you can do it with, but then for some reason finds it acceptable with the Long Fangs, and forces you to do so by removing the Long Fangs models from their online store.

Real nice.

You cannot pick SPACE WOLVES as your <CHAPTER> except for Index Only datasheets that permit it (e.g. The Rhino Primaris). That means no SPACE WOLF Centurions or Ironclads. You get Wolfwolf Wolfery instead. You are, of course, free to paint them as Space Wolves and isolate them in their own detachment and use whatever <CHAPTER> keyword and trait you want in that detachment.

For clarity, are you unable to pick "SPACE WOLVES" or is <Chapter> of "SPACE WOLVES" a different keyword than "SPACE WOLVES"?

Purely a pedantic question, but I'm suddenly curious. The impact is the same, obviously.

Bharring wrote:
For clarity, are you unable to pick "SPACE WOLVES" or is <Chapter> of "SPACE WOLVES" a different keyword than "SPACE WOLVES"?

Purely a pedantic question, but I'm suddenly curious. The impact is the same, obviously.

You are not permitted to pick SPACE WOLVES as a replacement for <CHAPTER> due the rule on page 131 of Codex Adeptus Astartes Space Word Salad. Even if you could, however, the Designers Commentary Anti-Wu-Tang-Clan FAQ means that that SPACE WOLVES isn't the same as the codex Space Wolves SPACE WOLVES and you can't do that to circumvent detachment or aura restrictions.

So if they introduce a faction called "Wings of Dawn", I must, RAW, change my list? Interesting.

Note that it really has no impact. "Wings of Dawn - The Cool One" would be a completely valid name. Just curious on the technicals.


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BCB,
Thanks for the details. So there are *two* rules that prevent it.