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Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting Regeneration requires the unit to be a NURGLE DAEMON, with the caveat that DAEMON must be a faction keyword. Myphitic Blight-Hauler's don't have the DAEMON faction keyword, so you can't use the stratagem on them, as per the Chaos Daemons Specials Snowflake FAQ.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting Regeneration requires the unit to be a NURGLE DAEMON, with the caveat that DAEMON must be a faction keyword. Myphitic Blight-Hauler's don't have the DAEMON faction keyword, so you can't use the stratagem on them, as per the Chaos Daemons Specials Snowflake FAQ.

That is why I am asking. The FAQ only refers to DAEMON not NURGLE DAEMON as faction keywords required. If you read the stratgems this only prevents you from using it for like 3 strategems one of them being “Denizens of the Warp.” RAW it seems clear you can use it since it doesn’t cover NURGLE DAEMON units only DAEMON units. However, as you highlight it may have been RAI that none of the stratgems in the book work.

It is sad the Death Guard stratgems seems should have included these. I hate how bad the DG stratgems are as whole anyways. If they get a new codex this is one of the areas that needs to most work.

broxus wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting Regeneration requires the unit to be a NURGLE DAEMON, with the caveat that DAEMON must be a faction keyword. Myphitic Blight-Hauler's don't have the DAEMON faction keyword, so you can't use the stratagem on them, as per the Chaos Daemons Specials Snowflake FAQ.

That is why I am asking. The FAQ only refers to DAEMON not NURGLE DAEMON as faction keywords required. If you read the stratgems this only prevents you from using it for like 3 strategems one of them being “Denizens of the Warp.” RAW it seems clear you can use it since it doesn’t cover NURGLE DAEMON units only DAEMON units. However, as you highlight it may have been RAI that none of the stratgems in the book work.

It is sad the Death Guard stratgems seems should have included these. I hate how bad the DG stratgems are as whole anyways. If they get a new codex this is one of the areas that needs to most work.

NURGLE DAEMON isn't a single keyword, it's two separate keywords. If it was a single keyword then it wouldn't work on anything since nothing has the "NURGLE DAEMON" keyword.

I really wish they had thought to delineate between compound keywords... Would it have been so hard to use commas or something?

 BaconCatBug wrote:

broxus wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting Regeneration requires the unit to be a NURGLE DAEMON, with the caveat that DAEMON must be a faction keyword. Myphitic Blight-Hauler's don't have the DAEMON faction keyword, so you can't use the stratagem on them, as per the Chaos Daemons Specials Snowflake FAQ.

That is why I am asking. The FAQ only refers to DAEMON not NURGLE DAEMON as faction keywords required. If you read the stratgems this only prevents you from using it for like 3 strategems one of them being “Denizens of the Warp.” RAW it seems clear you can use it since it doesn’t cover NURGLE DAEMON units only DAEMON units. However, as you highlight it may have been RAI that none of the stratgems in the book work.

It is sad the Death Guard stratgems seems should have included these. I hate how bad the DG stratgems are as whole anyways. If they get a new codex this is one of the areas that needs to most work.

NURGLE DAEMON isn't a single keyword, it's two separate keywords. If it was a single keyword then it wouldn't work on anything since nothing has the "NURGLE DAEMON" keyword.

I can see your point, and it is odd, they should put the “comma” NURGLE, DAEMON since it is two separate words. However, they didn’t and it means both of the words must be present or none of them work as you alluded. I am not sure. They should have written this as DAEMON and <ALLEGIANCE> DAEMON units if they wanted to be precise to stop debates like this.

Has anyone played at an ITC/GW and see how they ruled this?

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting regeneration specifically targets a daemon, which we are told must be a Faction daemon. I'm not seeing any wiggle room at all here.

Captyn_Bob wrote:

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting regeneration specifically targets a daemon, which we are told must be a Faction daemon. I'm not seeing any wiggle room at all here.

No it targets a NURGLE DAEMON, not a DAEMON

They don't have DAEMON faction keyword, so no stratagems from the Daemon codex can be used on them.

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Daemon faction required.

Obviously this is a no because bringing a blight hauler back would be broken as feth.

broxus wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:

broxus wrote:
Hello,

I was curious if I had a unit of 3x Myphitic Blight-Haulers together and one was destroyed if I could use the Revolting Regeneration Strategem from the Chaos Daemon Codex to return a model to the unit? There is a FAQ that says you cant us the “Daemon” keyword refers to the faction keyword. However, this effects only a few strategems and the main culprit being “Denizens of the Warp” which allowed you to deepstrike in units like Mortarian. RAW i think you can, but I am not sure if it RAI (but maybe I am wrong).

What is the consensus for this?

This suddenly makes the Myphitic Blight-Haulers a better option.

Revolting regeneration specifically targets a daemon, which we are told must be a Faction daemon. I'm not seeing any wiggle room at all here.

No it targets a NURGLE DAEMON, not a DAEMON

That's nonsense.

FAQs
Q: When a Stratagem from Codex: Chaos Daemons uses
the Daemon keyword, can it be used to affect any unit with
the Daemon keyword, or only units with the Daemon
Faction keyword?
A: These Stratagems can only affect units with the
Daemon Faction keyword
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/warhammer_40000_chaos_daemons_en.pdf

Case closed

You're all missing the (weak ) point being made

Is NURGLE DAEMON a single keyword or is it two, NURGLE and DAEMON?
A compound would cause a whole lot of issues, as no daemon keyword would work ...

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You're all missing the (weak ) point being made

Is NURGLE DAEMON a single keyword or is it two, NURGLE and DAEMON?
A compound would cause a whole lot of issues, as no daemon keyword would work ...

It has to be two separate keywords, the entire game simply doesn't function otherwise. There is a minimum level of unspoken "we get it" for any game to work. The game doesn't say what a dice is either, or what a roll is. Or specify that a dice has to be numbered 1 to 6.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You're all missing the (weak ) point being made

Is NURGLE DAEMON a single keyword or is it two, NURGLE and DAEMON?
A compound would cause a whole lot of issues, as no daemon keyword would work ...

if its one keyword, the stratagem won't work at all, because there is no unit with the "NURGLE DAEMON" keyword