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What if the heretics managed to take Ferrograd before Colonol nuclear holocaust could fire the nukes. The revolt seemed to have little to do with Choas and the planet would be incredibly hard to retake so would the imperium just leave them alone or would they try to retake the planet? if there left alone how would Krieg do as an independent human world?

An imperial ship would have come sooner or later, found a defiant world too hard to reclaim, reported it and a few months/couple years later a life eater virus barrage would have been deployed.

If you notice imperial policy, it's almost never to leave rebel planets alone, simply because of the precedent it would send if word got out that there were successful attempts at secession from the Imperium. They would grind them down eventually and retake it, which might change their backstory since it then might be nuked by the rebels in an attempt to force them back, rather than the other way around. In the elseworld case where for whatever reason, the Imperials never got to reconquering them, it would reasonable to assume it'd be based more around what it was before the nukes dropped, just without any Imperial dogma or fealty.

Yeah, a worst case scenario for krieg would be either chaos comes sniffing around and it ends of a chaos hell world, or the dark eldar find it's no longer got imperial reinforcements and decides to start raiding it heavily.

Of course the Absolute worse possible outcome from krieg would be the imperium retakes it by sending in the iron hands chapter.

I do not believe the Imperium (or any political entity) can be 100% successful over 10,000 years in suppressing every rebellion. The Imperium might claim the next attempt to reclaim the planet would be coming but if it fails or the time never comes, I suspect the Imperium would do what it did for the Jericho Reach or the Orpheus Sector, and redact and scrub any records and histories to remove any mention and reclassify the area as unknown or wilderness space, rather than ever admit a planet slipped permanently from their grasp.

Iracundus wrote:
I do not believe the Imperium (or any political entity) can be 100% successful over 10,000 years in suppressing every rebellion. The Imperium might claim the next attempt to reclaim the planet would be coming but if it fails or the time never comes, I suspect the Imperium would do what it did for the Jericho Reach or the Orpheus Sector, and redact and scrub any records and histories to remove any mention and reclassify the area as unknown or wilderness space, rather than ever admit a planet slipped permanently from their grasp.

Yep.

Although I think it is far more likely that someone would "get around to it" eventually. It make take 100 years or more for that exterminatus to arrive, but it is inevitably coming unless the surrounding space got cut off from imperial control somehow.

I honestly think they'd do an exterminatus on it if all else
Failed or it simply wasn't economically viable to reconquer it. The imperium is just that spiteful and etty

Although Exterminatus is tossed around a lot in stories, it is actually supposed to be fairly rare in the background because the weapons used are specialized and in limited supply and controlled by the Inquisition and Space Marines. A functioning world that can in theory be reclaimed in the future is more valuable than a permanently dead world. I see redacting records as easier and leaving the possibility open for future rediscovery and reclaiming.

Also we see from examples of the Jericho Reach and the Orpheus Sector that the Imperium did not just fling Exterminatus around when they lost both sectors.

There is little practical difference between a world that the Imperium says it will come back for but hasn’t arrived in thousands of years vs a world that has effectively succeeded in seceding. The only difference is one of PR spin.

If krieg is inside the imperium, they might be justified in burning it. In the reality of the 40k universe if a world goes defiant and separates, unchecked psykers can rise and attract daemons, warp portals can openc demonic influence can spread and take over the planet. The planet can become a daemon world that becomes a source of chaos that can spread, serve as a base for chaos forces, etc. Or it can be overrun by enslavers and spread them.

That's the reality of the 40k universe.

If worlds on on the fringe or edges of the imperium maybe they can be let go, But deep in imperium space it's different.

chimera0205 wrote:
What if the heretics managed to take Ferrograd before Colonol nuclear holocaust could fire the nukes. The revolt seemed to have little to do with Choas and the planet would be incredibly hard to retake so would the imperium just leave them alone or would they try to retake the planet? if there left alone how would Krieg do as an independent human world?

Who knows? The story is pretty contrived and stops making sense very quickly upon inspection, but given how blase the Imperium was about the planet, just about anything could have happened. They could have just gone dark and gone it alone until the Administratum finally noted, correlated, requisitioned, approved, reviewed, reapproved, rereviewed, lost when Adept #7498583949983 was buried alive in a tragic server farm collapse, rediscovered, reallocated, backdated, and finally implemented a plan of action, be it reconquest or extermination or something else entirely. They could have fallen to Chaos, become a pirate base, their own feudal playground, been conquered by xenos, anything else really. The planet doesn't have much background in general, and what little there is overwhemingly comes from the current era.

There are successful revolts. Most of them are successful because the Imperium has forgotten about said planet's existence. There are many accounts of rebellions only being discovered after some pen-pusher finds out X planet is 300 years behind on their taxes. Once found, most rebellions are swiftly crushed. The only successful non-chaos rebellion I know of is the Severan Dominate. A revolt notable for actually managing to resist attempts to retake the rebellious worlds.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
If krieg is inside the imperium, they might be justified in burning it. In the reality of the 40k universe if a world goes defiant and separates, unchecked psykers can rise and attract daemons, warp portals can openc demonic influence can spread and take over the planet. The planet can become a daemon world that becomes a source of chaos that can spread, serve as a base for chaos forces, etc. Or it can be overrun by enslavers and spread them.

That's the reality of the 40k universe.

If worlds on on the fringe or edges of the imperium maybe they can be let go, But deep in imperium space it's different.

The Imperium is more like a cobweb of trade routes connecting oases of Imperial civilization, with swathes of wilderness space in between. It does not occupy an unbroken contiguous swathe of space. The Gothic sector, settled since the Great Crusade, still had vast portions of it not under Imperial control even by the time of the Gothic War. In these wilderness space areas can be zeros empires or human pocket empires, which is basically what a successful rebellion would be. The existence of non-Imperial human societies show that it isn’t automatically a given that society falls to Chaos or anarchy if not under Imperial rule.

 Grey Templar wrote:
There are successful revolts. Most of them are successful because the Imperium has forgotten about said planet's existence. There are many accounts of rebellions only being discovered after some pen-pusher finds out X planet is 300 years behind on their taxes. Once found, most rebellions are swiftly crushed. The only successful non-chaos rebellion I know of is the Severan Dominate. A revolt notable for actually managing to resist attempts to retake the rebellious worlds.

The Severan Dominate was also rapidly crumbling under Imperial onslaught, its nonexistent infrastructure, incursions from an Ork waaaagh!, and the devil's bargain they had to strike with the Dark Eldar in order to have a chance in the first place. Not exactly a grand success.

Of course, since FFG's relationship with GW went belly up we'll never know how that setting/plot thread would have ended up.

PARANOID FAN THEORY FUN TIME!

What if krieg's contrived history was a deliberate effort by someone in the imperium to create a "bastard factory" planet that did nothing but mass produce suicide soldiers for the imperium?

Suppose the whole thing was deliberately set up on an essentially worthless world and kept going for 500 years to deliberately produce a society so conditioned to war and misery and utter fatalism it would make perfect suicide soldiers and so guilt and shame ridden it would accept essentially having it's children mass produced in battery farms with accelerated growth aritfical wombs as pennance and its ancestors sins?

You can see a couple inquisitors maybe in their cups talking about how awful it is to constantly send the very flower of imperial youth off the die constantly. If only they could get a plan to mass produce disposable soldiers who know nothing but war to be the sacrificial lambs the imperium needs to survive.

But people would scream "Abomination! " and "Heresy! " if they did.

If only there was an isolsted, remote, worthless world they could set up a war on, and keep it going for so long the peolle forgot any other way of life existed, and were so utterly used to war, sufferings fatalism and death for so long they were utterly incapable of concieving any other way of life.

And to be convinced by generations of guilt and shame that such was their just and rightful place in life so they'd never object, even willingly seek miserable lives and death in combat as their place in life.

A couple inquisitors start thinking, "Hmm, I know this little out of the way planet, called creek or something... "