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Hello, non native english speaker (sorry for poor grammar) and first time poster. I'm going to my first big tournament in january, and i'm looking for help with my list.
The tournament is a 1000+1000 format, mission are from chapter approved 2018, and my teammate is coming with Renegade knights (i only know that he loves big shooty knights, but i don't have list details yet).
I'm taking Chaos Space Marines, and i would like some help with list building. My idea was to take this one:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [28 PL, 489pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Alpha Legion

+ HQ +
Dark Apostle [5 PL]:
Bolt pistol, No Chaos Mark, Power maul
Exalted Champion [5 PL]: Bolt pistol, No Chaos Mark, Power sword, The Murder Sword, Warlord

+ Troops +
Chaos Cultists [3 PL]: No Chaos Mark, autogun + heavy stubber
Chaos Cultists [3 PL]: No Chaos Mark, autogun + heavy stubber
Chaos Cultists [3 PL]: No Chaos Mark, autogun + heavy stubber

+ Elites +
Khorne Berzerkers [5 PL]:
Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainsword, Power fist
. 4x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 4x Chainaxe

+ Dedicated Transport +
Chaos Rhino [4 PL]:
Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [26 PL, 351pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ HQ +
Warpsmith [5 PL]:
Bolt pistol, Flamer, Mark of Slaanesh, Meltagun, Power axe

+ Elites +
Helbrute [7 PL]:
Mark of Slaanesh, Missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter
Helbrute [7 PL]: Mark of Slaanesh, Missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter
Helbrute [7 PL]: Mark of Slaanesh, Missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter

This put me at 840 points spent and 9 CP, giving me 3 cheap cultist troop to hold objectives (one of which can come back thanks to tide of traitors), a murder squad of berserkers + HQ (the exalted champion is ready to hunt melee characters thanks to mortal wounds) to put in the rhino to harass enemy gunline, while te trio of hellbrutes can shoot decently against anything (i guess the allied knights will take care of the heavyest enemy) and as emperor childrens can maybe surprise enemy chargers.

I want to hold 80 point to summon some chaos daemons (as all have quite low PL i will summon with 2d6, to minimize the chance of self harm), so I can tailor my army a bit based on enemy composition, and this is the list of my miniatures:

Karanak [4 PL] (for psychic power protection)

Bloodletters [4 PL]: 9x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Instrument of Chaos (if i need a melle killer)

Horrors [4 PL]: 10x Pink Horror (ranged shot & smite, i can put 2 blue if they die and still stay in 80 points)

Plaguebearers [4 PL]: Instrument of Chaos, 9x Plaguebearer, Plagueridden (objective holder, to summon as late as possible)

Flamers [4 PL]: 2x Flamer, Pyrocaster (3d6 autohit shots, what's not to like)

Furies [5 PL]: 10x Fury, Any Mark (flexible mark, can also summon 5 of them for 3 pl if i roll really low)

This leave me with 80 points left, and i don't know how to spend them. Maybe add some more cultist in the squads, or another rhino to protect them for the 1st round volley?

Any comment, criticism, hint & tip will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
   
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine






Hey man, CSM definately have some useful units but you have to rely heavily on character buffs and stratergy combos.

So using things like abadon with many cultisits even though they've just got a little more expensive. Oblitorators using endless cacophony and veterans of the long war. World eater cultisits and bezerkers with Khan and an exhalted champion.

I'd drop the helbrutes and look for oblitorators or even the now much cheaper land raider (if your taking bezerkers).

If you do take bezerkers you need a bigger unit than 5, they'll generally get killed in overwatch by a lot of units before they do much.

Last point, summoning isn't as good as it looks on paper. Flexability is good but having points off the table AND stopping mele charachters moving is a big price to pay for that flexibility.

Hope this helps
   
Made in us
Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch




Might be fun to use sonic dreads instead of brutes
   
Made in gb
Troubled By Non-Compliant Worlds




I agree with what the above poster said, if you don’t want Berserkers shot off the board you need at least eight (if you’re bringing a party bus with the DA and Champion) or ten if you’re running them solo. I also think you’re over-investing in the Helbrutes a bit. I’d honestly be tempted to trade a couple of them and the Rhino for three more Berserkers and a Land Raider.

Ultra-Ultramarines are a great idea. 
   
Made in us
Focused Fire Warrior




NY

First, your grammar is excellent. Second, I would forget about summoning and take a maulerfiend to distract the enemy from your rhino and helbrutes. It could absorb overwatch for the berzerkers.
   
 
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