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From what I am reading, if you include a Kabal, Wych Cult and or Haemonculous unit in a detachment, you no longer can have an Obsession.

What about access to Kabal specific Stratagems? If you assign units to a particular Kabal or Cult, do you still get access to them?

Thanks!

You simply have access to the kabal, cult, coven stratagems, traits, relics and obsessions only if you field a full detachment of a single specific kabal, cult and coven. Then all the units listed in that detachment gain the obsession. Incubi, scourges, drazhar, mandrakes and beasts are exceptions.

If you field a mixed detachment with kabal, wych cult and coven (or just of those three subfactions) you only get power from pain, the obj sec thing and all the stuff that is not kabal, wych cult or coven specific. So no obsessions.

There's no reason to field a mixed detachment though, since subfactions bonuses are extremely powerful and units are cheap enough that you can easily bring three different detachments if you want all the subfactions at 2000 points.

I'm going to have to disagree with Blackie:
Warlord traits only care about what sub-faction your Warlord is from, not whether your army is battle-forged or Obsession-compliant.
Stratagems only* care about having a battle-forged DRUKHARI, not whether you are Obsession-compliant. As the <SPECIFIC> stratagems target suitably-aligned units, there is no need for an extra rule to limit them* (The exception is Agents of Vect, as it has Errata).
Relics only care on the Faction of your Warlord, and again the specific ones can only be given to the specific Faction characters, so there's no tie-in to Obsessions.

 Quanar wrote:
I'm going to have to disagree with Blackie:
Warlord traits only care about what sub-faction your Warlord is from, not whether your army is battle-forged or Obsession-compliant.
Stratagems only* care about having a battle-forged DRUKHARI, not whether you are Obsession-compliant. As the <SPECIFIC> stratagems target suitably-aligned units, there is no need for an extra rule to limit them* (The exception is Agents of Vect, as it has Errata).
Relics only care on the Faction of your Warlord, and again the specific ones can only be given to the specific Faction characters, so there's no tie-in to Obsessions.

This is all correct. You don't lose everything for having a mixed detachment.

Indeed, you only lose the Chapter Tactic equivalent, you don't loose access to anything else (except maybe the Agents of Vect's stratagem, but that's because it has a special rule saying so).

Just another thought.....Can you mix Kabal's in a detachment?

General Hobbs wrote:


Just another thought.....Can you mix Kabal's in a detachment?

If you want, but you won't get any benefit from it and you'll loose the obsession.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Indeed, you only lose the Chapter Tactic equivalent, you don't loose access to anything else (except maybe the Agents of Vect's stratagem, but that's because it has a special rule saying so).

Agents of Vect works just fine as long as you have access to Drukari Stratagems and a Kabal of the Black Heart unit on the battlefield.

Drukari FAQ wrote:‘This Stratagem cannot be used if there are no Kabal of the Black Heart units from your army on the battlefield, and cannot be used to affect Stratagems used ‘before the battle’ or ‘during deployment’.

 alextroy wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Indeed, you only lose the Chapter Tactic equivalent, you don't loose access to anything else (except maybe the Agents of Vect's stratagem, but that's because it has a special rule saying so).

Agents of Vect works just fine as long as you have access to Drukari Stratagems and a Kabal of the Black Heart unit on the battlefield.

Drukari FAQ wrote:‘This Stratagem cannot be used if there are no Kabal of the Black Heart units from your army on the battlefield, and cannot be used to affect Stratagems used ‘before the battle’ or ‘during deployment’.

That is what I meant, you unlock the use of all stratagems normally even without the correct subfaction, it's only Agents of Vect that has an explicit rider preventing its use. The only real time this comes into play is when you use Ynnari.

I'm not following. You only need two things to use Agents of Vect. Access to Drukari Stratagems and a Kabal of the Black Heart unit on the battlefield. How is this different from any other Drukari Stratagem that targets a specific Kabal, Cult, or Coven unit (ignoring that it doesn't actually target a unit)?

 alextroy wrote:
I'm not following. You only need two things to use Agents of Vect. Access to Drukari Stratagems and a Kabal of the Black Heart unit on the battlefield. How is this different from any other Drukari Stratagem that targets a specific Kabal, Cult, or Coven unit (ignoring that it doesn't actually target a unit)?

The difference is in what the stratagem does. Agents of Vect neutralizes an enemy's stratagem, it doesn't affect kabal units directly. So unlike other specific stratagems that actually target a kabal, wych cult or coven unit Agents of Vect may work even with no kabal units on the battlefield. That's why GW released a dedicated FAQ, making it an exception. RAW you can't heal D3 lost wounds on a coven monster if you have no coven units on the table obviously but you can nullify an enemy stratagem regardless of what you actually have on the table, hence the FAQ.

And what does that have to do with what BCB said?