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I need to know this, because I'm trying to sort out if I need to include just one knight, or two baby knights to escort daddy, and I would rather like to give the knight a relic, household tactics and use stratagems for it.

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This should be in YMDC area, and it's clearly explained in the appropriate sections of the knights codex what detachments unlock, however you need to check the codex FAQ for CP and other errata.
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Why would they? Unless there’s a specific exclusion like the Astra Militarum superheavy auxiliary not granting Regiment bonuses, they’re still a detachment and unlock everything a detachment usually would.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Lethal Lhamean




Birmingham

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Why would they? Unless there’s a specific exclusion like the Astra Militarum superheavy auxiliary not granting Regiment bonuses, they’re still a detachment and unlock everything a detachment usually would.

GW seem to be wildely inconsistent on thism for instance Craftworld units don't gain detachment benefits in Auxiliary detachments but Harlequins makes no mention of it.
   
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 Imateria wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Why would they? Unless there’s a specific exclusion like the Astra Militarum superheavy auxiliary not granting Regiment bonuses, they’re still a detachment and unlock everything a detachment usually would.

GW seem to be wildely inconsistent on thism for instance Craftworld units don't gain detachment benefits in Auxiliary detachments but Harlequins makes no mention of it.


That's like saying they are wildly inconsistent on toughness because Guardsmen are T3 and Knights are T8.

The base rule is clear - Auxiliary detachments count as any other detachment would. But some armies have specific exceptions.
   
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Fireknife Shas'el




Lisbon, Portugal

Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachment != Auxiliary Detachment

The former do grant access to stratagems, relics, etc

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 Shadenuat wrote:
Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
 
   
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh




Citation please, all I see is that the super heavy aux detachment doesn't provide Command points. It doesn't say anything about strategy cards.
   
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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Citation please, all I see is that the super heavy aux detachment doesn't provide Command points. It doesn't say anything about strategy cards.
Read the codexes. As far as I know all but the Imperial Knights codex say that Auxiliary Support Detachments don't unlock stratagems (which is a moot point anyway since you cannot include Knights in an Auxiliary Support Detachment). Example from the Harlequins Codex:
Codex: Harlequins Page 70 wrote:If your army is Battle-forged and includes any HARLEQUINS Detachments, excluding Auxiliary Support Detachments, you have access to the Stratagems shown here, meaning you can spend Command Points to activate them. These help to reflect the unique strategies and fluid tactics used by the Harlequins on the battlefield.
There is your Citation.

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The general rule is if you have a detachment that is battle forged then you are granted access to the stratagems of that force. You must have a citation showing that super heavy aux detachments do not grant access to stratagems . Showing one example or even multiple examples of where something contravenes the general rule doesn't mean that the rule isn't followed in other non specified instances.

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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
The general rule is if you have a detachment that is battle forged then you are granted access to the stratagems of that force. You must have a citation showing that super heavy aux detachments do not grant access to stratagems . Showing one example or even multiple examples of where something contravenes the general rule doesn't mean that the rule isn't followed in other non specified instances.
And no-one was saying that the general rule is that Auxiliary Support Detachments don't, but literally EVERY SINGLE CODEX where it matters says Auxiliary Support Detachments don't unlock stratagems.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Leo_the_Rat wrote:
The general rule is if you have a detachment that is battle forged then you are granted access to the stratagems of that force. You must have a citation showing that super heavy aux detachments do not grant access to stratagems . Showing one example or even multiple examples of where something contravenes the general rule doesn't mean that the rule isn't followed in other non specified instances.
And no-one was saying that the general rule is that Auxiliary Support Detachments don't, but literally EVERY SINGLE CODEX where it matters says Auxiliary Support Detachments don't unlock stratagems.


The thread is asking about Superheavy Auxiliary Detachments. Try reading before breaking out the ALL CAPS.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Norn Queen






My apologies, I missed the "superheavy" part of the question. I blame it being 5am. The codexes only exclude the Auxiliary Support Detachments, Superheavy ones unlock stratagems but might not unlock a detachment trait.
   
 
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